It's looking fairly likely that TfL will have to give away their diesel
trains before the electric trains are ready, and might end up
bustituting for a while.

https://www.londonreconnections.com/...nsport-update/

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Basil Jet wrote:

It's looking fairly likely that TfL will have to give away their diesel
trains before the electric trains are ready, and might end up
bustituting for a while.

https://www.londonreconnections.com/...nsport-update/


TfL certainly has a lot of looming issues. But I'd have thought it could
redeploy some of the 315s displaced from the Shenfield line as a very
short-term GOBLIN replacement fleet. Presumably Bombardier would have to
fund this, as it's months late with the new Aventras, and it currently
maintains the 315s anyway.

In article ,
Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:

It's looking fairly likely that TfL will have to give away their diesel
trains before the electric trains are ready, and might end up
bustituting for a while.

https://www.londonreconnections.com/...nsport-update/


TfL certainly has a lot of looming issues. But I'd have thought it could
redeploy some of the 315s displaced from the Shenfield line as a very
short-term GOBLIN replacement fleet.

Stock training the GOBLIN drivers twice is probably better than
bustitution; but are the 315s commited elsewhere?

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Mike Bristow wrote:
In article
,
Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:

It's looking fairly likely that TfL will have to give away their diesel
trains before the electric trains are ready, and might end up
bustituting for a while.

https://www.londonreconnections.com/...nsport-update/


TfL certainly has a lot of looming issues. But I'd have thought it could
redeploy some of the 315s displaced from the Shenfield line as a very
short-term GOBLIN replacement fleet.

Stock training the GOBLIN drivers twice is probably better than
bustitution; but are the 315s commited elsewhere?


No, they're destined for the scrapyard, but have been kept in reserve while
the TfL Rail Aventras bedded in.

It would seem to make sense for GOBLIN drivers to start being trained on
them immediately.

On 18/07/2018 10:40, Recliner wrote:

No, they're destined for the scrapyard, but have been kept in reserve

Oooooooh.

Oh, only Class 315s.


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On Wednesday, 18 July 2018 10:13:34 UTC+1, Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:

It's looking fairly likely that TfL will have to give away their diesel
trains before the electric trains are ready, and might end up
bustituting for a while.

https://www.londonreconnections.com/...nsport-update/


TfL certainly has a lot of looming issues. But I'd have thought it could
redeploy some of the 315s displaced from the Shenfield line as a very
short-term GOBLIN replacement fleet. Presumably Bombardier would have to
fund this, as it's months late with the new Aventras, and it currently
maintains the 315s anyway.

No you can't redeploy 315s. They do not have body mmounted CCTV cameras so you need to either retrofit them with this kit - pointless as they going to the scrapheap. You could fit platform CCTV and monitors at stations assuming there is space - this would take many months to do and get sign off. The new trains should be in service by then. The other alternative is to have dispatching staff on every platform - seems a rather extreme thing to do and no one will have budget for it. I really can't see any of this happening plus there are still a load of issues around whether the 315s even fit on the GOBLIN, whether LO drivers are trained on the stock etc etc.

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On Fri, 20 Jul 2018 02:24:35 -0700 (PDT)
Paul Corfield wrote:
On Wednesday, 18 July 2018 10:13:34 UTC+1, Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:
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TfL certainly has a lot of looming issues. But I'd have thought it could
redeploy some of the 315s displaced from the Shenfield line as a very
short-term GOBLIN replacement fleet. Presumably Bombardier would have to
fund this, as it's months late with the new Aventras, and it currently
maintains the 315s anyway.

No you can't redeploy 315s. They do not have body mmounted CCTV cameras so =
you need to either retrofit them with this kit - pointless as they going to=
the scrapheap. You could fit platform CCTV and monitors at stations assum=
ing there is space - this would take many months to do and get sign off. Th=

I assume there are rules saying they can't just look out of a window when
closing the doors to check for obstructions?

On Wed, 18 Jul 2018 05:24:29 +0100
Basil Jet wrote:
It's looking fairly likely that TfL will have to give away their diesel
trains before the electric trains are ready, and might end up
bustituting for a while.

Its not hard to see why this has happened when you witness the responses of
so called "professional" railway employees on here when I suggested perhaps
TfL should have ordered a few more 378s when they had the chance or perhaps BR
should have just electrified the goblin with DC decades ago. It really is no
surprise the british rail industry is an utter basket case when this is the
calibre of the people working in it.

In article , wrote:
Its not hard to see why this has happened when you witness the responses of
so called "professional" railway employees on here when I suggested perhaps
TfL should have ordered a few more 378s when they had the chance or perhaps BR
should have just electrified the goblin with DC decades ago. It really is no
surprise the british rail industry is an utter basket case when this is the
calibre of the people working in it.

This being the TfL that's so scrapped for cash that it's mortgaging
rolling stock it hasn't finished paying for yet?

Or the DC electrification project which would have cost the taxpayer
millions and set back OHLE by half a century further?

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On 18 Jul 2018 15:14:44 +0100 (BST)
Jonathan Amery wrote:
In article , wrote:
Its not hard to see why this has happened when you witness the responses of
so called "professional" railway employees on here when I suggested perhaps
TfL should have ordered a few more 378s when they had the chance or perhaps
BR
should have just electrified the goblin with DC decades ago. It really is no
surprise the british rail industry is an utter basket case when this is the
calibre of the people working in it.

This being the TfL that's so scrapped for cash that it's mortgaging
rolling stock it hasn't finished paying for yet?

The 378s were ordered long before Kahn came in and froze fares.

Or the DC electrification project which would have cost the taxpayer
millions and set back OHLE by half a century further?

Half a century? Would the presense of a switched off conductor rail on a
closed for upgrade line cause some some disturbance in The Force preventing
the installation of AC overhead then? Oddly it didn't prevent most of the
rest of the NLL being converted to AC.