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It's looking fairly likely that TfL will have to give away their diesel
trains before the electric trains are ready, and might end up
bustituting for a while.

https://www.londonreconnections.com/...nsport-update/

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Basil Jet wrote:

It's looking fairly likely that TfL will have to give away their diesel
trains before the electric trains are ready, and might end up
bustituting for a while.

https://www.londonreconnections.com/...nsport-update/


TfL certainly has a lot of looming issues. But I'd have thought it could
redeploy some of the 315s displaced from the Shenfield line as a very
short-term GOBLIN replacement fleet. Presumably Bombardier would have to
fund this, as it's months late with the new Aventras, and it currently
maintains the 315s anyway.

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On Wed, 18 Jul 2018 05:24:29 +0100
Basil Jet wrote:
It's looking fairly likely that TfL will have to give away their diesel
trains before the electric trains are ready, and might end up
bustituting for a while.


Its not hard to see why this has happened when you witness the responses of
so called "professional" railway employees on here when I suggested perhaps
TfL should have ordered a few more 378s when they had the chance or perhaps BR
should have just electrified the goblin with DC decades ago. It really is no
surprise the british rail industry is an utter basket case when this is the
calibre of the people working in it.


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Basil Jet wrote:

It's looking fairly likely that TfL will have to give away their diesel
trains before the electric trains are ready, and might end up
bustituting for a while.

https://www.londonreconnections.com/...nsport-update/


TfL certainly has a lot of looming issues. But I'd have thought it could
redeploy some of the 315s displaced from the Shenfield line as a very
short-term GOBLIN replacement fleet.


Stock training the GOBLIN drivers twice is probably better than
bustitution; but are the 315s commited elsewhere?

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Mike Bristow wrote:
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Basil Jet wrote:

It's looking fairly likely that TfL will have to give away their diesel
trains before the electric trains are ready, and might end up
bustituting for a while.

https://www.londonreconnections.com/...nsport-update/


TfL certainly has a lot of looming issues. But I'd have thought it could
redeploy some of the 315s displaced from the Shenfield line as a very
short-term GOBLIN replacement fleet.


Stock training the GOBLIN drivers twice is probably better than
bustitution; but are the 315s commited elsewhere?


No, they're destined for the scrapyard, but have been kept in reserve while
the TfL Rail Aventras bedded in.

It would seem to make sense for GOBLIN drivers to start being trained on
them immediately.



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Basil Jet wrote:

It's looking fairly likely that TfL will have to give away their diesel
trains before the electric trains are ready, and might end up
bustituting for a while.

https://www.londonreconnections.com/...nsport-update/


Surely there are some surplus EMUs lurking somewhere at the moment which
they could borrow for a while, as Scotrail did with the 365s?


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In message , at 12:22:04 on Wed, 18 Jul
2018, Anna Noyd-Dryver remarked:
Basil Jet wrote:

It's looking fairly likely that TfL will have to give away their diesel
trains before the electric trains are ready, and might end up
bustituting for a while.


https://www.londonreconnections.com/...k-and-crossrai
l-a-london-transport-update/


Surely there are some surplus EMUs lurking somewhere at the moment which
they could borrow for a while, as Scotrail did with the 365s?


Even more 365's, currently [a week ago anyway] at Papworth sidings?
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In article , wrote:
Its not hard to see why this has happened when you witness the responses of
so called "professional" railway employees on here when I suggested perhaps
TfL should have ordered a few more 378s when they had the chance or perhaps BR
should have just electrified the goblin with DC decades ago. It really is no
surprise the british rail industry is an utter basket case when this is the
calibre of the people working in it.


This being the TfL that's so scrapped for cash that it's mortgaging
rolling stock it hasn't finished paying for yet?

Or the DC electrification project which would have cost the taxpayer
millions and set back OHLE by half a century further?

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On 18 Jul 2018 15:14:44 +0100 (BST)
Jonathan Amery wrote:
In article , wrote:
Its not hard to see why this has happened when you witness the responses of
so called "professional" railway employees on here when I suggested perhaps
TfL should have ordered a few more 378s when they had the chance or perhaps

BR
should have just electrified the goblin with DC decades ago. It really is no
surprise the british rail industry is an utter basket case when this is the
calibre of the people working in it.


This being the TfL that's so scrapped for cash that it's mortgaging
rolling stock it hasn't finished paying for yet?


The 378s were ordered long before Kahn came in and froze fares.

Or the DC electrification project which would have cost the taxpayer
millions and set back OHLE by half a century further?


Half a century? Would the presense of a switched off conductor rail on a
closed for upgrade line cause some some disturbance in The Force preventing
the installation of AC overhead then? Oddly it didn't prevent most of the
rest of the NLL being converted to AC.

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In article , wrote:
On 18 Jul 2018 15:14:44 +0100 (BST)
Jonathan Amery wrote:
This being the TfL that's so scrapped for cash that it's mortgaging
rolling stock it hasn't finished paying for yet?


The 378s were ordered long before Kahn came in and froze fares.


Also long before there was any finalized plans to electrify the
GOBLIN in any sense; as has been described before.

Also TfL were already running low on money in the early 2010s which
would have been the latest possible time to order more 378s, and that
at a higher cost than the original units were since they'd used all
their option to buy more units.

Or the DC electrification project which would have cost the taxpayer
millions and set back OHLE by half a century further?


Half a century? Would the presense of a switched off conductor rail on a
closed for upgrade line cause some some disturbance in The Force preventing
the installation of AC overhead then? Oddly it didn't prevent most of the
rest of the NLL being converted to AC.


No, but having spent millions only 10 years ago will cause a
disturbance in the beancounters.


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