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Muslims 50-4 Civilisation.


This kind of comment is as bad as all the simplistic, inane **** that
was spouted by redneck yanks after the September 2001 attacks.


May I quote a somewhat more lucid observer than mine's opinion?

A victory for multiculti over common sense
By Mark Steyn
(Filed: 19/07/2005)

It has been sobering this past week watching some of
my "woollier" colleagues (in Vicki Woods's self-designation) gradually awake
to the realisation that the real suicide bomb is "multiculturalism". Its
remorseless tick-tock, suddenly louder than the ethnic drumming at an
anti-globalisation demo, drove poor old Boris Johnson into rampaging around
this page last Thursday like some demented late-night karaoke one-man
Fiddler on the Roof, stamping his feet and bellowing, "Tradition!
Tradition!" Boris's plea for more Britishness was heartfelt and valiant, but
I'm not sure I'd bet on it. The London bombers were, to the naked eye,
assimilated - they ate fish 'n' chips, played cricket, sported appalling
leisurewear. They'd adopted so many trees we couldn't see they lacked the
big overarching forest - the essence of identity, of allegiance. As I've
said before, you can't assimilate with a nullity - which is what
multiculturalism is.



So, if Islamist extremism is the genie you're trying
to put back in the bottle, it doesn't help to have smashed the bottle. As
the death of the Eurofanatic Ted Heath reminds us, in modern Britain even a
"conservative" prime minister thinks nothing of obliterating ancient
counties and imposing on the populace fantasy jurisdictions - "Avon",
"Clwyd" and (my personal favourite in its evocative neo-Stalinism) "Central
Region" - and an alien regulatory regime imported from the failed polities
of Europe. The 7/7 murderers are described as "Yorkshiremen", but, of
course, there is no Yorkshi Ted abolished that, too.

Sir Edward's successor, Mr Blair, said on the day of
the bombing that terrorists would not be allowed to "change our country or
our way of life". Of course not. That's his job - from hunting to
Europeanisation. Could you reliably say what aspects of "our way of life"
Britain's ruling class, whether pseudo-Labour like Mr Blair or
pseudo-Conservative like Sir Ted, wish to preserve? The Notting Hill
Carnival? Not enough, alas.

Consider the Bishop of Lichfield, who at Evensong,
on the night of the bombings, was at pains to assure his congregants: "Just
as the IRA has nothing to do with Christianity, so this kind of terror has
nothing to do with any of the world faiths." It's not so much the explicit
fatuousness of the assertion so much as the broader message it conveys:
we're the defeatist wimps; bomb us and we'll apologise to you. That's why in
Britain the Anglican Church is in a death-spiral and Islam is the
fastest-growing religion. There's no market for a faith that has no faith in
itself. And as the Church goes so goes the state: why introduce identity
cards for a nation with no identity?

It was the Prime Minister's wife, you'll recall, who
last year won a famous court victory for Shabina Begum, as a result of which
schools across the land must now permit students to wear the full "jilbab" -
ie, Muslim garb that covers the entire body except the eyes and hands. Ms
Booth hailed this as "a victory for all Muslims who wish to preserve their
identity and values despite prejudice and bigotry". It seems almost too
banal to observe that such an extreme preservation of Miss Begum's Muslim
identity must perforce be at the expense of any British identity. Nor,
incidentally, is Miss Begum "preserving" any identity: she's of Bangladeshi
origin, and her adolescent adoption of the jilbab is a symbol of the
Arabisation of South Asian (and African and European) Islam that's at the
root of so many problems. It's no more part of her inherited identity than
my five-year- old dressing up in his head-to-toe Darth Vader costume, to
which at a casual glance it's not dissimilar.

Is it "bigoted" to argue that the jilbab is a
barrier to acquiring the common culture necessary to any functioning
society? Is it "prejudiced" to suggest that in Britain a Muslim woman ought
to reach the same sartorial compromise as, say, a female doctor in Bahrain?
Apparently so, according to Cherie Booth.

One of the striking features of the post-9/11 world
is the minimal degree of separation between the so-called "extremists" and
the establishment: Princess Haifa, wife of the Saudi ambassador to
Washington, gives $130,000 to accomplices of the 9/11 terrorists; the head
of the group that certifies Muslim chaplains for the US military turns out
to be a bagman for terrorists; one of the London bombers gets given a tour
of the House of Commons by a Labour MP. The Guardian hires as a "trainee
journalist" a member of Hizb ut Tahir, "Britain's most radical Islamic
group" (as his own newspaper described them) and in his first column
post-7/7 he mocks the idea that anyone could be "shocked" at a group of
Yorkshiremen blowing up London: "Second- and third-generation Muslims are
without the don't-rock-the-boat attitude that restricted our forefathers.
We're much sassier with our opinions, not caring if the boat rocks" - or the
bus blows, or the Tube vaporises. Fellow Guardian employee David Foulkes,
who was killed in the Edgware Road blast, would no doubt be heartened to
know he'd died for the cause of Muslim "sassiness".

But among all these many examples of the multiculti
mainstream ushering the extremists from the dark fringe to the centre of
western life, there is surely no more emblematic example than that of
Shabina Begum, whose victory over the school dress code was achieved with
the professional support of both the wife of the Prime Minister who pledges
to defend "our way of life" and of Hizb ut Tahir, a group which (according
to the German Interior Minister) "supports violence as a means to realise
political goals" such as a worldwide caliphate and (according to the BBC)
"urges Muslims to kill Jewish people". What does an "extremist" have to do
to be too extreme for Cherie Booth or the Guardian?

Oh, well. Back to business as usual. In yesterday's
Independent, Dave Brown had a cartoon showing Bush and Blair as terrorists
boarding the Tube to Baghdad. Ha-ha. The other day in Thailand, where 800
folks have been killed by Islamists since the start of the year, two Laotian
farm workers were beheaded. I suppose that's Bush and Blair's fault, too.

I'd like to think my "woolly liberal" colleague
Vicki Woods and the woolly sorta-conservative Boris Johnson represent the
majority. If they do, you've got a sporting chance. But in the end Cherie
Booth and Dave Brown and the Bishop of Lichfield will get you killed. Best
of British, old thing.


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On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 21:08:46 GMT, "Mick Tully"
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"Mick Tully" wrote in message news:...

"Mizter T" wrote in message
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Mick Tully wrote:
Muslims 50-4 Civilisation.

This kind of comment is as bad as all the simplistic, inane **** that
was spouted by redneck yanks after the September 2001 attacks.


May I quote a somewhat more lucid observer than mine's opinion?

A victory for multiculti over common sense
By Mark Steyn
(Filed: 19/07/2005)

It has been sobering this past week watching some of
my "woollier" colleagues (in Vicki Woods's self-designation) gradually awake
to the realisation that the real suicide bomb is "multiculturalism". Its
remorseless tick-tock, suddenly louder than the ethnic drumming at an
anti-globalisation demo,


[snip]

My wife's Black British, my son is mixed race.

I'm white (Anglo-Irish). ****, that must mean that I'm a cause of
suicide bombers...


(what a pile of total crap)

Rob.
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rob at robertwoolley dot co dot uk
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"Robert Woolley" wrote in message
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On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 21:08:46 GMT, "Mick Tully"

My wife's Black British, my son is mixed race.


So what? It has nothing to do with this.


I'm white (Anglo-Irish). ****, that must mean that I'm a cause of
suicide bombers...


Groan...

Mick.




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