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A GTR manager was the unexpected saviour of the dangerous situation a year
ago when over 80 LO passengers were wrongly evacuated on to a live third
rail track:

https://www.londonreconnections.com/2018/thirty-centimetres-of-safety-an-incident-at-peckham-rye/

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On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 22:10:48 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
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A GTR manager was the unexpected saviour of the dangerous situation a year
ago when over 80 LO passengers were wrongly evacuated on to a live third
rail track:

https://www.londonreconnections.com/2018/thirty-centimetres-of-safety-an-incident-at-peckham-rye/


Good link. Thanks.
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On 23/10/2018 23:20, Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 22:10:48 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
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https://www.londonreconnections.com/2018/thirty-centimetres-of-safety-an-incident-at-peckham-rye/


Good link. Thanks.


Yes, very interesting.

What strikes me, as a complete non-expert, is the complete absence of common sense on all sides. The report says at one point:

"He was to contact the signaller immediately, detrain his passengers and then drive the train in full manual override mode back to New Cross Gate depot."

So there *was* a way of moving the train, just one that (I assume) some rule said could not be used with passengers on board. Except here was a stuck train with passengers on board and a simple solution. Why did nobody suggest that the driver engage this "full manual override" and move the train another 100 metres or so forward so at the doors were adjacent to the platform at Peckham Rye, and there detrain the passengers. Then the defective stock could have been moved to the depot.


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On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 14:56:03 +0100
Clive Page wrote:
On 23/10/2018 23:20, Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 22:10:48 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

https://www.londonreconnections.com/...afety-an-incid
ent-at-peckham-rye/

Good link. Thanks.


Yes, very interesting.

What strikes me, as a complete non-expert, is the complete absence of common
sense on all sides. The report says at one point:


Its the railways. Seems to me part of the job selection process for managers
and workers is weeding out people who show any sign of intelligence or
initiative.

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In article ,
Clive Page wrote:
On 23/10/2018 23:20, Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 22:10:48 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:
https://www.londonreconnections.com/2018/thirty-centimetres-of-safety-an-incident-at-peckham-rye/


Good link. Thanks.


Yes, very interesting.

What strikes me, as a complete non-expert, is the complete absence of common sense on all sides. The report says at one point:

"He was to contact the signaller immediately, detrain his passengers and then drive the train in full manual override mode back to New Cross Gate depot."

So there *was* a way of moving the train, just one that (I assume) some rule said could not be used with passengers on board. Except here was a stuck train with passengers on board and a simple solution. Why did nobody suggest that the driver engage this "full manual override" and move the train another 100 metres or so forward so at the doors were adjacent to the platform at Peckham Rye, and there detrain the passengers. Then the defective stock could have been moved to the depot.


The person giving those instructions incorrectly believed that the
train was alongside the platform.

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On 23/10/2018 23:10, Recliner wrote:
A GTR manager was the unexpected saviour of the dangerous situation a year
ago when over 80 LO passengers were wrongly evacuated on to a live third
rail track:

https://www.londonreconnections.com/2018/thirty-centimetres-of-safety-an-incident-at-peckham-rye/

What happened with the driver, P45?
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On Thu, 25 Oct 2018 14:57:20 +0100
" wrote:
On 23/10/2018 23:10, Recliner wrote:
A GTR manager was the unexpected saviour of the dangerous situation a year
ago when over 80 LO passengers were wrongly evacuated on to a live third
rail track:


https://www.londonreconnections.com/...afety-an-incid
ent-at-peckham-rye/

What happened with the driver, P45?


Fat chance. Probably "received further training" or whatever the phrase is.
You can't fire an idiot if he works on the railways, the RMT or Aslef would
call a strike the next day as LU have found out on a number of occasions.



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