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Old February 10th 19, 02:24 PM
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The Uber representative of the GMB Union has sent out
a message, calling on GMB members to protest against
the change in minicab (PHV) drivers' status regarding
the congestion charge:

You will know that Transport for London is imposing the Congestion Charge on you and all licenced private hire drivers from the 8 April 2019. This charge imposes a heavy burden on drivers, in addition to other costs we face such as the cost or rental of vehicle; high insurance; heavy maintenance and running costs; etc. The GMB have protested against these charges, see https://bit.ly/2UjsZ2t, and have made representations to TfL and the Mayor. They have not responded.

To show our opposition to TfL’s proposals we are joining the Monday demonstrations and are asking you to show your disapproval of the Mayor’s unjust actions. The details a -

Monday 11th February, from 4 to 6 pm, at London Bridge

We need to show our solidarity and unity. Banners and placards will be available. Contact Dennis on for further details.

Pass this information onto other private hire drivers; bring your friends and family. If this action goes through it will kill the private hire profession in London.

Kind regards

Dennis Bartholomew
UBER Representative
Professional Drivers G56
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When Ken Livingstone first planned the fraudulently
named congestion charge, minicab drivers were going to
pay. He soon realised that the charge would be passed on
to customers and he decided to exempt minicab drivers.

Our new Mayor, strapped for cash partly through his own
doing, has decided minicab drivers will now have to pay.

I'm not sure what to make of the fact that this call to arms
comes not from the GMB itself but from a Uber representative.

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On 10/02/2019 15:24, Robin9 wrote:

Pass this information onto other private hire drivers; bring your
friends and family. If this action goes through it will kill the
private hire profession in London.

The proposal will not "kill the private hire profession in London", all
that will happen is that the prices will go up, and the cynic in me says
they will go up by more than the congestion charge.

It will add a maximum of £21.50 per day to the running costs of the
vehicle, less if it is hybrid or petrol engined.

Wait until Sadiq Khan's plan to ban all diesel engines comes in....


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I think it's certain that prices will go up. The Uber rep is obviously
concerned primarily about Uber drivers working in "the middle"
but there is also the issue of suburban PHV drivers who make only
one trip per day into central London.

If, for example, a driver takes an outer suburban customer to
Barts Hospital, that customer will be the only one that day
necessitating the driver to pay the surcharge. Presumably the
entire charge will be added to that passenger's fare. The customer
will not be pleased with Mr. Khan!
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On 12/02/2019 09:07, Robin9 wrote:
I think it's certain that prices will go up. The Uber rep is obviously
concerned primarily about Uber drivers working in "the middle"
but there is also the issue of suburban PHV drivers who make only
one trip per day into central London.

If, for example, a driver takes an outer suburban customer to
Barts Hospital, that customer will be the only one that day
necessitating the driver to pay the surcharge. Presumably the
entire charge will be added to that passenger's fare. The customer
will not be pleased with Mr. Khan!

As far as Uber goes, that can be done automatically by the app,
hopefully with an explanation. Or Uber can arrange things so the driver
has a full day in the centre once he's cleared the Bart's job.

What's really going to **** them off is the new ULEZ that kicks in on
the date given, so anything earlier than Euro 6 will cost a fortune to
take in. It's also annoying transport companies, as using any lorry or
coach older than Euro 6 will cost £200 a day. The company I work for has
has to spend over two million quid to update our fleet to comply.

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On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 12:22:20 +0000, John Williamson wrote:
What's really going to **** them off is the new ULEZ that kicks in on
the date given, so anything earlier than Euro 6


Or Euro 4 for petrol.

will cost a fortune to
take in. It's also annoying transport companies, as using any lorry or
coach older than Euro 6 will cost £200 a day. The company I work for has
has to spend over two million quid to update our fleet to comply.


That's not annoying, that's fantastic news for the people that breath
the air in London[1]. I look forward to the improvement in air quality for
millions and the resultant improvement in health and healthcare savings.

[1] And the bits of not London that the vehicles also drive in.


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On 12/02/2019 14:00, David Walters wrote:


That's not annoying, that's fantastic news for the people that breath
the air in London[1]. I look forward to the improvement in air quality for
millions and the resultant improvement in health and healthcare savings.

You won't notice any difference, and nor will the health services. Most
commercial vehicles going into the London ULEZ have been at the
appropriate Euro level for a long time now, and nobody seems to be
celebrating yet.

What people will notice is that it will cost more to deliver goods and
people to London, so Londoners will pay more for their groceries, and
there will be fewer tourists, leading to problems for the many
businesses that depend on them.



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On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 14:18:46 +0000, John Williamson wrote:
Most
commercial vehicles going into the London ULEZ have been at the
appropriate Euro level for a long time now, and nobody seems to be
celebrating yet.

What people will notice is that it will cost more to deliver goods and
people to London, so Londoners will pay more for their groceries, and
there will be fewer tourists, leading to problems for the many
businesses that depend on them.


If most commercial vehicles don't need changing then delivery costs will
mostly stay the same and prices will mostly not increase (or if they do
it will not be a significant increase).
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On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 12:22:20 +0000
John Williamson wrote:
On 12/02/2019 09:07, Robin9 wrote:
I think it's certain that prices will go up. The Uber rep is obviously
concerned primarily about Uber drivers working in "the middle"
but there is also the issue of suburban PHV drivers who make only
one trip per day into central London.

If, for example, a driver takes an outer suburban customer to
Barts Hospital, that customer will be the only one that day
necessitating the driver to pay the surcharge. Presumably the
entire charge will be added to that passenger's fare. The customer
will not be pleased with Mr. Khan!

As far as Uber goes, that can be done automatically by the app,
hopefully with an explanation. Or Uber can arrange things so the driver
has a full day in the centre once he's cleared the Bart's job.

What's really going to **** them off is the new ULEZ that kicks in on
the date given, so anything earlier than Euro 6 will cost a fortune to
take in. It's also annoying transport companies, as using any lorry or
coach older than Euro 6 will cost £200 a day. The company I work for has
has to spend over two million quid to update our fleet to comply.


I have wondered if all the transport companies should have got together and
refused to make deliveries if they have to pay the charge and see what the
little squirt does when the shelves empty in central london.

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On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 14:00:30 +0000
David Walters wrote:
On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 12:22:20 +0000, John Williamson
wrote:
What's really going to **** them off is the new ULEZ that kicks in on
the date given, so anything earlier than Euro 6


Or Euro 4 for petrol.

will cost a fortune to
take in. It's also annoying transport companies, as using any lorry or
coach older than Euro 6 will cost £200 a day. The company I work for has
has to spend over two million quid to update our fleet to comply.


That's not annoying, that's fantastic news for the people that breath
the air in London[1]. I look forward to the improvement in air quality for
millions and the resultant improvement in health and healthcare savings.


Meanwhile all the extra CO2 from the manufacture of the replacement vehicles
chain will simple hasten climate change that little bit faster. I'll take
local pollution over global pollution any day. And a lot of the people whining
about air quality are the same people who install wood burning stoves in their
farrow and ball decorated living rooms.


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