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On Thursday, 21 March 2019 16:21:18 UTC, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
TimB wrote:
On Thursday, March 21, 2019 at 11:31:41 AM UTC, Recliner wrote:
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
Jeremy Double wrote:
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On Mon, 18 Mar 2019 13:59:53 -0000 (UTC)
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
tolly57 wrote:

Only 3 trains for 10,000 passengers from 18 March due to train
shortages.
www.barking-gospeloak.org.uk (see latest news).



Apparently a fourth train will be converted soon.

I rode on two-thirds of the current fleet yesterday!

What with the ongoing balls-up wrt the 717s on the moorgate line its not
a good few of years for train manufacturers in London. Only themselves
to blame too.


It's weird that it's the local train builder, with the most UK experience,
that's faring the worst. Conversely, apparently the least problematic new
trains on test are turning out to be the ones from the UK newcomer,
Stadler.

Is this a case of the newcomers actually doing their homework and finding
out about the “don’t knows” of the use environment when refining their
design, whereas the people already in the market think they know everything
and are thus complacent?

Or maybe it’s just the superiority of Swiss engineering?

The problems AIUI aren’t the interface of the train to the wider railway
environment, it’s the software used within the train itself. The trains
currently having introduction problems use a new generation of on-train
software, whereas the 345s are the last of the previous generation of
software (dating from the 357s IIRC).


I see that ScotRail is releasing the 'Happy trains' that filled-in for the
385s that needed new cab windows. Could those 365s operate on the Goblin?
Yes, I know driver training would be needed. Do they need guards?

Or, half jokingly, could WCR provide a couple of heritage trains, as it did
in the Lake District? I think it's no longer operating the Cumbrian coast
trains, so it might have stock available. TfL would sell a lot of tickets
for loco-hauled stock on the Goblin! Indeed, I think WCR will be operating
a steam charter along the line on Saturday.

Well, they didn't need guards on Kings Cross routes.


It depends whether the platform equipment is in the correct position for
different stock.


Anna Noyd-Dryver


There are no monitors or mirrors on the GOBLIN AFAIAA as the 172s had
bodyside cameras. So only trains with bodyside cameras can operate DOO on
the GOBLIN. I suspect TfL has no staff who could act either as guards or
platform despatchers to allow trains like 315s or 365s (which do not have
bodyside cameras) to operate.


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I travelled on Goblin yesterday. For a Saturday, the trains were
surprisingly full and standing. Reverting to a half-hourly service
does not seem to have depressed patronage.
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Mar 2019, Robin9 remarked:

I travelled on Goblin yesterday. For a Saturday, the trains were
surprisingly full and standing. Reverting to a half-hourly service
does not seem to have depressed patronage.


Anything to do with the People's Vote march?
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Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 10:13:12 on Sun, 24
Mar 2019, Robin9 remarked:

I travelled on Goblin yesterday. For a Saturday, the trains were
surprisingly full and standing. Reverting to a half-hourly service
does not seem to have depressed patronage.


Anything to do with the People's Vote march?


I made my way by Underground from Liverpool street to Waterloo at about
18.00 yesterday and a while before from Alexandra Palace and expected it
to be a lot busier than it was ,maybe most people had not commenced their
journeys home by then.
That being said by the time my train left at 19 whatever it was it did
become noticeable busier on the Waterloo concourse and some had definitely
been on the March as they had some of their posters on sticks etc still
with them but I have seen the train to Salisbury and beyond busier when SWT
had one of their offers on in school holidays, but there again this area is
staunchly leave so may not have fielded as many marchers as some.
My initial plan was to travel back a lot later and miss any crowds as
usually I combine a trip to London with a visit to one of the few surviving
relatives there but the phone call to see if it was alright to drop in
went a bit awkward. Hello, first time in a year I’m in London all right to
drop in for an hour ? Pause from my Uncle not really, didn’t you get my
message this morning ? ( first time he has phoned me in years) No, I left
early.
Your Aunt died two days ago and I haven’t been in a state to let people
know,
What Sod’s law timing.

GH




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In message , at 10:13:12 on Sun, 24
Mar 2019, Robin9 remarked:

I travelled on Goblin yesterday. For a Saturday, the trains were
surprisingly full and standing. Reverting to a half-hourly service
does not seem to have depressed patronage.


Anything to do with the People's Vote march?


Not likely; people going on the march would be heading into central
london, not skirting around the edge.

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Robin9 wrote:

I travelled on Goblin yesterday. For a Saturday, the trains were
surprisingly full and standing. Reverting to a half-hourly service
does not seem to have depressed patronage.


Hello, old friend:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/47582770322

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Those 172s will be more appropriate in their new home than on
Goblin where their full potential was never released. They have a
pretty high top speed and can accelerate quickly, but the Goblin
run does not provide an opportunity for either. I'd enjoy a journey
from Leamington Spa to Coventry on a 172.
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Robin9 wrote:

'Recliner[_3_ Wrote:
;169914']Robin9 wrote:-

I travelled on Goblin yesterday. For a Saturday, the trains were
surprisingly full and standing. Reverting to a half-hourly service
does not seem to have depressed patronage.
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Hello, old friend:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/47582770322


Those 172s will be more appropriate in their new home than on
Goblin where their full potential was never released. They have a
pretty high top speed and can accelerate quickly, but the Goblin
run does not provide an opportunity for either. I'd enjoy a journey
from Leamington Spa to Coventry on a 172.


Yes, they were specified from the beginning for regional, rather than urban
metro, services, hence the transverse seats. They were always intended as
an interim solution, pending electrification. If all had gone to plan,
they'd have been replaced a couple of years ago by 4-car EMUs.





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