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On 15/12/2019 09:59, wrote:

I doubt many people use the A1 for long distance travel in the south or midlands
as there are too many roundabouts,

I think the A1/A1M has two or three roundabouts between the London
boundary and Northumberland.

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On 15/12/2019 11:42, Graeme Wall wrote:
On 15/12/2019 10:44, Robin wrote:
On 15/12/2019 10:25, Graeme Wall wrote:
On 15/12/2019 09:19, Robin wrote:
On 14/12/2019 21:55, Graeme Wall wrote:

Actually the replacement rate is about 2.4 children per couple to
allow for infertility, , infant mortality, gay couples and those
who just don't want children. Currently the average is nearer 1.8
so in the long term the population of this country is going to
shrink fairly rapidly. The downside is the population is getting
older. It's a phenomenon that is being repeated across the world as
people get better educated and the religious ties are loosened.


I don't know what you mean by "long term" but the ONS project the
population of the UK continuing to increase through to 2043.



After the middle of the century as the offspring of the baby boomers
start to die out and the influence of effective contraception took
hold from the mid 1960s onward.


Thanks for calibrating "long term".

While you may of course be right I'll merely note that the
statisticians at Eurostat do not agree.Â* They project the UK
population continuing to increase (albeit more slowly) through to 2100.

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/po...ta/main-tables



A quick look at the fertility table shows the rate in the UK varying
from a low of 1.27 in inner London to a high of 1.97 in outer London for
2017. The general trend is consistently falling across the country over
the 5 year period on the chart.


I'm unclear if you are saying Eurostat have made mistakes in their
projections of population growth continuing through to 2100. All I know
is that fertility is not the only factor.

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In article , Basil Jet
writes
On 15/12/2019 09:59, wrote:
I doubt many people use the A1 for long distance travel in the south or
midlands
as there are too many roundabouts,

I think the A1/A1M has two or three roundabouts between the London
boundary and Northumberland.

Off the top of my head the only one I can think of is the Black Cat.

Google Maps says that, after the A411 in Borehamwood, there are two at
Biggleswade, one at Sandy, the Black Cat, then the A1167 at Scremerston.

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On 15/12/2019 13:34, Robin wrote:
On 15/12/2019 11:42, Graeme Wall wrote:
On 15/12/2019 10:44, Robin wrote:
On 15/12/2019 10:25, Graeme Wall wrote:
On 15/12/2019 09:19, Robin wrote:
On 14/12/2019 21:55, Graeme Wall wrote:

Actually the replacement rate is about 2.4 children per couple to
allow for infertility, , infant mortality, gay couples and those
who just don't want children. Currently the average is nearer 1.8
so in the long term the population of this country is going to
shrink fairly rapidly. The downside is the population is getting
older. It's a phenomenon that is being repeated across the world
as people get better educated and the religious ties are loosened.


I don't know what you mean by "long term" but the ONS project the
population of the UK continuing to increase through to 2043.



After the middle of the century as the offspring of the baby boomers
start to die out and the influence of effective contraception took
hold from the mid 1960s onward.


Thanks for calibrating "long term".

While you may of course be right I'll merely note that the
statisticians at Eurostat do not agree.Â* They project the UK
population continuing to increase (albeit more slowly) through to 2100.

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/po...ta/main-tables



A quick look at the fertility table shows the rate in the UK varying
from a low of 1.27 in inner London to a high of 1.97 in outer London
for 2017. The general trend is consistently falling across the country
over the 5 year period on the chart.


I'm unclear if you are saying Eurostat have made mistakes in their
projections of population growth continuing through to 2100. All I know
is that fertility is not the only factor.


Just saying those figures are of the same order as the ones I derived
from the New Scientist report on population changes a few months back.
They will, inevitably, lead to a decline in the population in the long
term. Defining that long term is a bit woolly but I would think the
Eurostat projections are a mite pessimistic.

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On Sun, 15 Dec 2019 12:50:52 +0000
Basil Jet wrote:
On 15/12/2019 09:59, wrote:

I doubt many people use the A1 for long distance travel in the south or
midlands
as there are too many roundabouts,

I think the A1/A1M has two or three roundabouts between the London
boundary and Northumberland.

And the rest:

Apex Corner
Stirling Corner
Biggleswade x 2
Sandy
Black Cat
Buckden

All in the same 50 mile stretch and all with queues during a weekday and thats
before you take into account some tight curves and average speed camera enforced
speed restrictions in the non motorway bedfordshire section. I made the mistake
of driving to Edinburgh up the A1 about 5 years ago. Its not one I shall be
repeating anytime soon though given the endless roadworks on the M1 with barely
a worker to be seen for 5 miles at a time its a PITA going north out of London
for any significant distance atm.

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In article , writes
On Sun, 15 Dec 2019 12:50:52 +0000
Basil Jet wrote:
On 15/12/2019 09:59, wrote:

I doubt many people use the A1 for long distance travel in the south or
midlands
as there are too many roundabouts,

I think the A1/A1M has two or three roundabouts between the London
boundary and Northumberland.

And the rest:

Apex Corner
Stirling Corner

Aren't both those within London? And I listed the second one, though not
under that name.

Biggleswade x 2
Sandy
Black Cat

Agreed. I listed all those.

Buckden

Oops: I managed to miss that one.

After Buckden, though, I think the next one is at Scremerston, on the
edge of Berwick-on-Tweed.

So 5 roundabouts between the London boundary and Northumberland. All
south of St.Neots. I agree that that's not perfect, though it's a lot
better than when I had to go to Tyne and Wear regularly, and at least
the Black Cat is on the list for rebuilding properly.

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On Sat, 14 Dec 2019 17:22:53 +0000
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 16:58:48 on Sat, 14 Dec
2019, remarked:
Sure, it all goes to plan for a few years. Then ever more people start to
use
the route and in a decade or so you're back where you started except now
the
jams have twice as many cars with twice the pollution. The best example
of
this
in the UK is the M25. No matter how much they widen it it just jams up
again
in a few years. It has 6 lanes each way around Heathrow yet they're still
often
jammed solid in the rush hour. So what do you do, widen it to 8 lanes,
10?
Where does it stop?

When they plan it better and segregate the long distance and local
traffic. The problem with that bit of the M25 (and I lived *there* 25yrs
ago and saw it first hand) was mixing them up.

And how do you plan to segregate them? Either you allow local traffic onto
the M25 or you close the junctions.

The newest bit of A14 (remember, the road we are discussing) segregates
them, just as the A1(M) north of Huntingdon does, the road which hasn't
shown any sign of jamming up 20yrs later.

I doubt many people use the A1 for long distance travel in the south or
midlands
as there are too many roundabouts, too much slowing down and speeding up
and
too many selfish truckers doing the tortoise race holding up a quarter
mile of
traffic as they pass each other at 0.5mph difference in order to gain 1
minute
that they immediately lose at the next roundabout anyway.

A1 is now roundabout free from Buckden to Newcastle

tim

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On Sun, 15 Dec 2019 12:50:52 +0000
Basil Jet wrote:
On 15/12/2019 09:59, wrote:

I doubt many people use the A1 for long distance travel in the south or
midlands
as there are too many roundabouts,

I think the A1/A1M has two or three roundabouts between the London
boundary and Northumberland.

And the rest:

Apex Corner
Stirling Corner
Biggleswade x 2
Sandy
Black Cat
Buckden

That's a rather strange definition of "The Midlands"

tim

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In article , tim...
writes
Apex Corner
Stirling Corner
Biggleswade x 2
Sandy
Black Cat
Buckden

That's a rather strange definition of "The Midlands"

Boltar clearly comes from sarf of the Thames.

I have a vague memory that if you try to divide the UK by population
into three equal parts with two east-west lines, one goes through St.
Albans and the other through Peterborough. But I could be wrong and
can't be bothered to seek out the data and reconstruct it.

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Clive D.W. Feather wrote:
In article , tim...
writes
Apex Corner
Stirling Corner
Biggleswade x 2
Sandy
Black Cat
Buckden

That's a rather strange definition of "The Midlands"

Boltar clearly comes from sarf of the Thames.

Neil lives in northeast London.


I have a vague memory that if you try to divide the UK by population
into three equal parts with two east-west lines, one goes through St.
Albans and the other through Peterborough. But I could be wrong and
can't be bothered to seek out the data and reconstruct it.

There's a general drift of the population in a southerly direction, so such
lines have probably moved south, too.