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As a disinterested party, I can't believe that anyone is seriously
suggesting this

The N/S Circular area isn't like the central area where everyone inside it
is moderately well off, or lives in a bubble where they can walk/bus to
whatever service that they need.

People who live in the "Circular" area, are people in normal employment with
lives that mean that they have to have a car.

and an annual tax of 5,475 pounds to own one, is bloody ridiculous

If the local councillors suggested this they would be out on their ears at
the next election

It's only because Boris is a Tory, and most of the affected LAs are
Labour/LibDem run that he has a hope of getting away with this politically

but it's still a bag of nonsense socially.

OTOH, I can't help but agree that the free travel for under 18s and over 60s
is far too generous, and is ripe to be cut back (even further)

In message , at 17:06:48 on Fri, 16 Oct
2020, tim... remarked:
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As a disinterested party, I can't believe that anyone is seriously
suggesting this

The N/S Circular area isn't like the central area where everyone inside
it is moderately well off, or lives in a bubble where they can walk/bus
to whatever service that they need.

People who live in the "Circular" area, are people in normal employment
with lives that mean that they have to have a car.

and an annual tax of 5,475 pounds to own one, is bloody ridiculous

If the local councillors suggested this they would be out on their ears
at the next election

It's only because Boris is a Tory, and most of the affected LAs are
Labour/LibDem run that he has a hope of getting away with this
politically

but it's still a bag of nonsense socially.

It's nothing to do with congestion, but simply a potential way to raise
a poll-tax the pay for TfL's huge deficit.
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Roland Perry

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
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In message , at 17:06:48 on Fri, 16 Oct 2020,
tim... remarked:
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lly-against-extension-of-congestion-charge-zone-a4571826.html

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As a disinterested party, I can't believe that anyone is seriously
suggesting this

The N/S Circular area isn't like the central area where everyone inside it
is moderately well off, or lives in a bubble where they can walk/bus to
whatever service that they need.

People who live in the "Circular" area, are people in normal employment
with lives that mean that they have to have a car.

and an annual tax of 5,475 pounds to own one, is bloody ridiculous

If the local councillors suggested this they would be out on their ears at
the next election

It's only because Boris is a Tory, and most of the affected LAs are
Labour/LibDem run that he has a hope of getting away with this politically

but it's still a bag of nonsense socially.

It's nothing to do with congestion, but simply a potential way to raise a
poll-tax the pay for TfL's huge deficit.

we know that

but why should car owners in this zone pay for it?

It's PT uses that benefited from the fare freeze, they should be paying for
that mistake

tim... wrote:


"Roland Perry" wrote in message
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In message , at 17:06:48 on Fri, 16 Oct 2020,
tim... remarked:
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lly-against-extension-of-congestion-charge-zone-a4571826.html

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As a disinterested party, I can't believe that anyone is seriously
suggesting this

The N/S Circular area isn't like the central area where everyone inside it
is moderately well off, or lives in a bubble where they can walk/bus to
whatever service that they need.

People who live in the "Circular" area, are people in normal employment
with lives that mean that they have to have a car.

and an annual tax of 5,475 pounds to own one, is bloody ridiculous

If the local councillors suggested this they would be out on their ears at
the next election

It's only because Boris is a Tory, and most of the affected LAs are
Labour/LibDem run that he has a hope of getting away with this politically

but it's still a bag of nonsense socially.

It's nothing to do with congestion, but simply a potential way to raise a
poll-tax the pay for TfL's huge deficit.

we know that

but why should car owners in this zone pay for it?

It's PT uses that benefited from the fare freeze, they should be paying for
that mistake


I can't see how they could enforce a hugely enlarged CC zone anyway —
they'd need a vast number of cameras and admin support. It would also lose
the Tories every London seat (and not just inside the Circular roads).

"Recliner" wrote in message
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tim... wrote:

I can't see how they could enforce a hugely enlarged CC zone anyway
they'd need a vast number of cameras and admin support.
ITYF most of the infrastructure is already there to support the LEZ and ULEZ
extension next year.

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DAS

In message , at 21:11:51 on Fri, 16 Oct
2020, tim... remarked:


"Roland Perry" wrote in message
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In message , at 17:06:48 on Fri, 16 Oct
2020, tim... remarked:
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As a disinterested party, I can't believe that anyone is seriously
suggesting this

The N/S Circular area isn't like the central area where everyone
inside it is moderately well off, or lives in a bubble where they can
walk/bus to whatever service that they need.

People who live in the "Circular" area, are people in normal
employment with lives that mean that they have to have a car.

and an annual tax of 5,475 pounds to own one, is bloody ridiculous

That's only if you use it every day.

If the local councillors suggested this they would be out on their
ears at the next election

It's only because Boris is a Tory, and most of the affected LAs are
Labour/LibDem run that he has a hope of getting away with this
politically

This will be seen as the Mayor's fault, so Labour will get the flack.

but it's still a bag of nonsense socially.

It's nothing to do with congestion, but simply a potential way to
raise a poll-tax the pay for TfL's huge deficit.

we know that

but why should car owners in this zone pay for it?

One reason is that they are (like it or not) under Tfl's umbrella, and
so are one of the more direct sources of income. Rather than for example
imposing a council tax surcharge on everyone in London.

Another is that if TfL has to drastically cut services it'll force more
vehicles onto the roads, inconveniencing existing motorists.

It's PT uses that benefited from the fare freeze, they should be paying
for that mistake

Putting up fares won't solve the deficit (especially in the current
pandemic).
--
Roland Perry

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
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In message , at 21:11:51 on Fri, 16 Oct 2020,
tim... remarked:


"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at 17:06:48 on Fri, 16 Oct
2020, tim... remarked:
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lly-against-extension-of-congestion-charge-zone-a4571826.html

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As a disinterested party, I can't believe that anyone is seriously
suggesting this

The N/S Circular area isn't like the central area where everyone inside
it is moderately well off, or lives in a bubble where they can walk/bus
to whatever service that they need.

People who live in the "Circular" area, are people in normal employment
with lives that mean that they have to have a car.

and an annual tax of 5,475 pounds to own one, is bloody ridiculous

That's only if you use it every day.

or if it's parked on-street

If the local councillors suggested this they would be out on their ears
at the next election

It's only because Boris is a Tory, and most of the affected LAs are
Labour/LibDem run that he has a hope of getting away with this
politically

This will be seen as the Mayor's fault,

will it?

Not convinced

so Labour will get the flack.

but it's still a bag of nonsense socially.

It's nothing to do with congestion, but simply a potential way to raise
a poll-tax the pay for TfL's huge deficit.

we know that

but why should car owners in this zone pay for it?

One reason is that they are (like it or not) under Tfl's umbrella, and so
are one of the more direct sources of income.

that's a because we can, not because we should

the original question remains.

Rather than for example imposing a council tax surcharge on everyone in
London.

Another is that if TfL has to drastically cut services it'll force more
vehicles onto the roads, inconveniencing existing motorists.

you may think that

I may think that

Non-users of PT asked to subsidise PT, don't think that

In message , at 14:56:41 on Sat, 17 Oct
2020, tim... remarked:


"Roland Perry" wrote in message
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In message , at 21:11:51 on Fri, 16 Oct
2020, tim... remarked:


"Roland Perry" wrote in message
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In message , at 17:06:48 on Fri, 16 Oct
2020, tim... remarked:
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lly-against-extension-of-congestion-charge-zone-a4571826.html

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As a disinterested party, I can't believe that anyone is seriously
suggesting this

The N/S Circular area isn't like the central area where everyone
inside it is moderately well off, or lives in a bubble where they
can walk/bus to whatever service that they need.

People who live in the "Circular" area, are people in normal
employment with lives that mean that they have to have a car.

and an annual tax of 5,475 pounds to own one, is bloody ridiculous

That's only if you use it every day.

or if it's parked on-street

If the local councillors suggested this they would be out on their
ears at the next election

It's only because Boris is a Tory, and most of the affected LAs are
Labour/LibDem run that he has a hope of getting away with this
politically

This will be seen as the Mayor's fault,

will it?

Not convinced

so Labour will get the flack.

but it's still a bag of nonsense socially.

It's nothing to do with congestion, but simply a potential way to
raise a poll-tax the pay for TfL's huge deficit.

we know that

but why should car owners in this zone pay for it?

One reason is that they are (like it or not) under Tfl's umbrella,
and so are one of the more direct sources of income.

that's a because we can, not because we should

the original question remains.

Rather than for example imposing a council tax surcharge on everyone
in London.

Another is that if TfL has to drastically cut services it'll force
more vehicles onto the roads, inconveniencing existing motorists.

you may think that

I may think that

Non-users of PT asked to subsidise PT, don't think that

I note your disagreement on pretty much anything. Perhaps we can agree
that by default we disagree, and save a lot of typing?
--
Roland Perry

In message , Roland Perry
writes
In message , at 17:06:48 on Fri, 16 Oct
2020, tim... remarked:
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lly-against-extension-of-congestion-charge-zone-a4571826.html

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As a disinterested party, I can't believe that anyone is seriously
suggesting this

The N/S Circular area isn't like the central area where everyone
inside it is moderately well off, or lives in a bubble where they can
walk/bus to whatever service that they need.

People who live in the "Circular" area, are people in normal
employment with lives that mean that they have to have a car.

and an annual tax of 5,475 pounds to own one, is bloody ridiculous

If the local councillors suggested this they would be out on their
ears at the next election

It's only because Boris is a Tory, and most of the affected LAs are
Labour/LibDem run that he has a hope of getting away with this
politically

but it's still a bag of nonsense socially.

It's nothing to do with congestion, but simply a potential way to raise
a poll-tax the pay for TfL's huge deficit.

After the N/S Circular, how long before the M25?
--
Ian

Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , Roland Perry
writes
In message , at 17:06:48 on Fri, 16 Oct
2020, tim... remarked:
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lly-against-extension-of-congestion-charge-zone-a4571826.html

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As a disinterested party, I can't believe that anyone is seriously
suggesting this

The N/S Circular area isn't like the central area where everyone
inside it is moderately well off, or lives in a bubble where they can
walk/bus to whatever service that they need.

People who live in the "Circular" area, are people in normal
employment with lives that mean that they have to have a car.

and an annual tax of 5,475 pounds to own one, is bloody ridiculous

If the local councillors suggested this they would be out on their
ears at the next election

It's only because Boris is a Tory, and most of the affected LAs are
Labour/LibDem run that he has a hope of getting away with this
politically

but it's still a bag of nonsense socially.

It's nothing to do with congestion, but simply a potential way to raise
a poll-tax the pay for TfL's huge deficit.

After the N/S Circular, how long before the M25?

Too many Tory-held seats.