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On Sat, 6 Mar 2021 10:35:09 +0000 (UTC), wrote:

On Fri, 5 Mar 2021 16:56:45 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/tran...ine-trains-unv
e
iled-tfl-b922086.html

Lets hope sense prevails and once these have had a good shakedown on
the
picc they order them for the bakerloo, central and W&C instead of
wasting
time and money on yet another round of tenders to do the exact same
job.



That's what LU wants to do, with only short gaps between orders, so the
Goole factory can stay in continuous production, and perhaps even move on
to a new Jubilee line fleet. But there's only the budget for the first
phase of the Piccadilly order, not even the second phase (the extra
trains
to take advantage of the higher frequencies possible with the planned,
but
currently unfunded, new signalling system).

TfL doesn't have the funding for anything beyond that, and the DfT and
Treasury are not being generous to Labour mayors. If, by some amazing
chance, we have Mayor Bailey after May, the funding might be more likely
to
be available.


I suspect the bakerloo extension is dead in the water for another
generation
too.


Are there are Tory marginal seats along the route?


seems unlikely

SE London is a sea of Red until you get to Bromley




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"Recliner" wrote in message
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On Sat, 6 Mar 2021 10:35:09 +0000 (UTC), wrote:

On Fri, 5 Mar 2021 16:56:45 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/tran...ine-trains-unv
e
iled-tfl-b922086.html

Lets hope sense prevails and once these have had a good shakedown on
the
picc they order them for the bakerloo, central and W&C instead of
wasting
time and money on yet another round of tenders to do the exact same
job.



That's what LU wants to do, with only short gaps between orders, so the
Goole factory can stay in continuous production, and perhaps even move on
to a new Jubilee line fleet. But there's only the budget for the first
phase of the Piccadilly order, not even the second phase (the extra
trains
to take advantage of the higher frequencies possible with the planned,
but
currently unfunded, new signalling system).

TfL doesn't have the funding for anything beyond that, and the DfT and
Treasury are not being generous to Labour mayors. If, by some amazing
chance, we have Mayor Bailey after May, the funding might be more likely
to
be available.

I suspect the bakerloo extension is dead in the water for another
generation
too.


Are there are Tory marginal seats along the route?


seems unlikely

SE London is a sea of Red until you get to Bromley


And the Bromley Tories don't want it:
https://853.london/2020/02/26/we-still-dont-want-bakerloo-line-extension-to-hayes-bromley-council-leader-insists/

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Recliner wrote:
wrote:
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/tran...ne-trains-unve
iled-tfl-b922086.html

Lets hope sense prevails and once these have had a good shakedown on the
picc they order them for the bakerloo, central and W&C instead of wasting
time and money on yet another round of tenders to do the exact same job.



BTW, this latest post of yours has broken the indexing in NewsTap.



Though curiously only in uk.railway, not in u.t.l (for me, at least).


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On Fri, 5 Mar 2021 17:00:04 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/tran...ine-trains-unv
e
iled-tfl-b922086.html

Lets hope sense prevails and once these have had a good shakedown on the
picc they order them for the bakerloo, central and W&C instead of wasting
time and money on yet another round of tenders to do the exact same job.



BTW, this latest post of yours has broken the indexing in NewsTap.


Beats me, I haven't changed anything. Perhaps newstap has pushed out an
update recently thats buggy or perhaps aioe have updated their servers and
are screwing up the headers somehow. I'd put money on newstap however.



No updates to NewsTap for over a year. The problem affects users of
different news servers, not just aioe.


Anna Noyd-Dryver

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On Mon, 8 Mar 2021 12:42:39 -0000 (UTC), Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 5 Mar 2021 17:00:04 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/tran...ine-trains-unv
e
iled-tfl-b922086.html

Lets hope sense prevails and once these have had a good shakedown on the
picc they order them for the bakerloo, central and W&C instead of wasting
time and money on yet another round of tenders to do the exact same job.



BTW, this latest post of yours has broken the indexing in NewsTap.


Beats me, I haven't changed anything. Perhaps newstap has pushed out an
update recently thats buggy or perhaps aioe have updated their servers and
are screwing up the headers somehow. I'd put money on newstap however.



No updates to NewsTap for over a year. The problem affects users of
different news servers, not just aioe.


Neil posts through aioe, so, in a sense, we're all being exposed to that server when we download his posts. I don't know
if anyone else here posts through that server?


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"Recliner" wrote in message
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On Mon, 8 Mar 2021 12:42:39 -0000 (UTC), Anna Noyd-Dryver
wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 5 Mar 2021 17:00:04 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/tran...ine-trains-unv
e
iled-tfl-b922086.html

Lets hope sense prevails and once these have had a good shakedown on
the
picc they order them for the bakerloo, central and W&C instead of
wasting
time and money on yet another round of tenders to do the exact same
job.



BTW, this latest post of yours has broken the indexing in NewsTap.

Beats me, I haven't changed anything. Perhaps newstap has pushed out an
update recently thats buggy or perhaps aioe have updated their servers
and
are screwing up the headers somehow. I'd put money on newstap however.



No updates to NewsTap for over a year. The problem affects users of
different news servers, not just aioe.


Neil posts through aioe, so, in a sense, we're all being exposed to that
server when we download his posts. I don't know
if anyone else here posts through that server?


I do when ES is misbehaving itself

Not done so for over a year though







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On Mon, 8 Mar 2021 12:42:39 -0000 (UTC)
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 5 Mar 2021 17:00:04 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:


https://www.standard.co.uk/news/tran...ine-trains-unv

e
iled-tfl-b922086.html

Lets hope sense prevails and once these have had a good shakedown on the
picc they order them for the bakerloo, central and W&C instead of wasting
time and money on yet another round of tenders to do the exact same job.



BTW, this latest post of yours has broken the indexing in NewsTap.


Beats me, I haven't changed anything. Perhaps newstap has pushed out an
update recently thats buggy or perhaps aioe have updated their servers and
are screwing up the headers somehow. I'd put money on newstap however.



No updates to NewsTap for over a year. The problem affects users of
different news servers, not just aioe.


Well if its only started happening and newstap hasn't been updated for over
a year and my code hasn't been updated in 4 months then the problem lies
elsewhere.

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wrote:
On Mon, 8 Mar 2021 12:42:39 -0000 (UTC)
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 5 Mar 2021 17:00:04 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:


https://www.standard.co.uk/news/tran...ine-trains-unv

e
iled-tfl-b922086.html

Lets hope sense prevails and once these have had a good shakedown on the
picc they order them for the bakerloo, central and W&C instead of wasting
time and money on yet another round of tenders to do the exact same job.



BTW, this latest post of yours has broken the indexing in NewsTap.

Beats me, I haven't changed anything. Perhaps newstap has pushed out an
update recently thats buggy or perhaps aioe have updated their servers and
are screwing up the headers somehow. I'd put money on newstap however.



No updates to NewsTap for over a year. The problem affects users of
different news servers, not just aioe.


Well if its only started happening and newstap hasn't been updated for over
a year and my code hasn't been updated in 4 months then the problem lies
elsewhere.



No, it started happening some months ago. Perhaps four? It doesn't happen
every time you post — it can go weeks without problems. So it's not that
your posts are guaranteed to break it, but they seem to be part of some
unusual combination of events that do. Those other unknown events may be
nothing to do with you.

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wrote:
On Mon, 8 Mar 2021 12:42:39 -0000 (UTC)
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 5 Mar 2021 17:00:04 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:


https://www.standard.co.uk/news/tran...ine-trains-unv

e
iled-tfl-b922086.html

Lets hope sense prevails and once these have had a good shakedown on the
picc they order them for the bakerloo, central and W&C instead of wasting
time and money on yet another round of tenders to do the exact same job.



BTW, this latest post of yours has broken the indexing in NewsTap.

Beats me, I haven't changed anything. Perhaps newstap has pushed out an
update recently thats buggy or perhaps aioe have updated their servers and
are screwing up the headers somehow. I'd put money on newstap however.



No updates to NewsTap for over a year. The problem affects users of
different news servers, not just aioe.


Well if its only started happening and newstap hasn't been updated for over
a year and my code hasn't been updated in 4 months then the problem lies
elsewhere.



It first happened around 4 months ago, I think (I'm not making any
suggestions btw!); it's a problem which happens intermittently, at
unpredictable intervals (and hadn't happened before that, in my whole time
of using NewsTap).


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On Mon, 8 Mar 2021 20:54:51 -0000 (UTC)
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
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Well if its only started happening and newstap hasn't been updated for over
a year and my code hasn't been updated in 4 months then the problem lies
elsewhere.



It first happened around 4 months ago, I think (I'm not making any


Right, and if I'd said 6 months ago you'd have also said 6.



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