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LO lines to be named
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https://www.cityam.com/mayor-of-london-election-sadiq-khan-pledges-to-name-london-overground-lines/ Sadiq Khan has pledged to give individual names to London Overground train lines if re-elected as mayor of London next month. Khan’s manifesto, released today, said the “London Overground network has grown considerably over recent years” and that “to reflect this I’ll launch a programme to name individual routes, giving each its own identity”. The London Overground now has 112 stations over six different lines, however none of the lines are named like on the London Underground. The policy announcement will see a programme launched by Khan to choose names for the six lines, if he wins re-election on 6 May, however no details were given on what the criteria will be. |
LO lines to be named
In message , at 16:06:00 on Tue, 6 Apr 2021,
Recliner remarked: From https://www.cityam.com/mayor-of-lond...n-pledges-to-n ame-london-overground-lines/ Sadiq Khan has pledged to give individual names to London Overground train lines if re-elected as mayor of London next month. Khan’s manifesto, released today, said the “London Overground network has grown considerably over recent years” and that “to reflect this I’ll launch a programme to name individual routes, giving each its own identity”. The London Overground now has 112 stations over six different lines, however none of the lines are named like on the London Underground. The policy announcement will see a programme launched by Khan to choose names for the six lines, if he wins re-election on 6 May, however no details were given on what the criteria will be. If one isn't the "Wombling Line", then there's no justice in this world. -- Roland Perry |
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Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 16:06:00 on Tue, 6 Apr 2021, Recliner remarked: From https://www.cityam.com/mayor-of-lond...n-pledges-to-n ame-london-overground-lines/ Sadiq Khan has pledged to give individual names to London Overground train lines if re-elected as mayor of London next month. Khan’s manifesto, released today, said the “London Overground network has grown considerably over recent years” and that “to reflect this I’ll launch a programme to name individual routes, giving each its own identity”. The London Overground now has 112 stations over six different lines, however none of the lines are named like on the London Underground. The policy announcement will see a programme launched by Khan to choose names for the six lines, if he wins re-election on 6 May, however no details were given on what the criteria will be. If one isn't the "Wombling Line", then there's no justice in this world. Unfortunately, LO doesn't go anywhere near Wimbledon. |
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Recliner wrote:
From https://www.cityam.com/mayor-of-london-election-sadiq-khan-pledges-to-name-london-overground-lines/ Sadiq Khan has pledged to give individual names to London Overground train lines if re-elected as mayor of London next month. Khan’s manifesto, released today, said the “London Overground network has grown considerably over recent years” and that “to reflect this I’ll launch a programme to name individual routes, giving each its own identity”. The London Overground now has 112 stations over six different lines, however none of the lines are named like on the London Underground. The policy announcement will see a programme launched by Khan to choose names for the six lines, if he wins re-election on 6 May, however no details were given on what the criteria will be. Does the East London line even though services now go further still retain that name or has it been dropped, if it has been renewing it would seem logical. The Met only had exclusive use of it from the mid 1960’s till the Overground took over ,a comparatively short period in its long history when services like now went further. GH |
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Marland wrote:
Recliner wrote: From https://www.cityam.com/mayor-of-london-election-sadiq-khan-pledges-to-name-london-overground-lines/ Sadiq Khan has pledged to give individual names to London Overground train lines if re-elected as mayor of London next month. Khan’s manifesto, released today, said the “London Overground network has grown considerably over recent years” and that “to reflect this I’ll launch a programme to name individual routes, giving each its own identity”. The London Overground now has 112 stations over six different lines, however none of the lines are named like on the London Underground. The policy announcement will see a programme launched by Khan to choose names for the six lines, if he wins re-election on 6 May, however no details were given on what the criteria will be. Does the East London line even though services now go further still retain that name or has it been dropped, if it has been renewing it would seem logical. The Met only had exclusive use of it from the mid 1960’s till the Overground took over ,a comparatively short period in its long history when services like now went further. None of the LO services currently have official names, though of course locals might continue to use the historical names (DC Line, etc). The problem with some of the old geographic names is that multiple modern routes share some lines. For example, the physical East London line is used by routes to New Cross, West Croydon and Clapham Junction. Should these three routes warrent their own, different names? Or should they simply be regarded as three branches of the East London Line, just as the District Line has four western branches? But shouldn't the Clapham Junction route be called the South London Line? So you might have an East London Line with branches to New Cross and West Croydon, and the South London Line which shares part of the route, but then heads west to Clapham Junction. The old names also have oddities: the North London Line goes further west than the West London Line, and further east than the East London Line, while the East London Line to West Croydon goes further south than the South London Line. Net result: - the northern-most most LO branch isn't the North London Line - the eastern and western-most LO branches are on the North London Line - the southern-most branch is the East London line. A further complication is the possible confusion between the Northern LU line (which is the southern-most LU line) and the entirely separate North London LO line. Despite crossing each other, the Northern LU line has no single station interchanges with any LO line. Or you could invent Bakerloo-style composite names, but would the two entirely separate routes from H&I to Clapham Junction cause confusion? Other countries would just use route numbers, but that seems not to be our style. |
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On 06/04/2021 23:39, Recliner wrote:
None of the LO services currently have official names, though of course locals might continue to use the historical names (DC Line, etc). The problem with some of the old geographic names is that multiple modern routes share some lines. I hope the Chingford Line and the Enfield Town/Cheshunt line get different names and colours on the map, because the latter calls at London Fields and Cambridge Heath and the former doesn't. I like Ermine Line for the Cheshunt line, because Liverpool Street, Stoke Newington, Bruce Grove, Edmonton Green and Theobalds Grove are all on the Roman road Ermine Street. But they'll probably go for George Floyd line instead. -- Basil Jet recently enjoyed listening to 2002 - The Big Come Up - The Black Keys |
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Basil Jet wrote:
On 06/04/2021 23:39, Recliner wrote: None of the LO services currently have official names, though of course locals might continue to use the historical names (DC Line, etc). The problem with some of the old geographic names is that multiple modern routes share some lines. I hope the Chingford Line and the Enfield Town/Cheshunt line get different names and colours on the map, because the latter calls at London Fields and Cambridge Heath and the former doesn't. I like Ermine Line for the Cheshunt line, because Liverpool Street, Stoke Newington, Bruce Grove, Edmonton Green and Theobalds Grove are all on the Roman road Ermine Street. But they'll probably go for George Floyd line instead. Whatever the names, I don't think they can get new colours. There just aren't enough distinct shades available. I wonder if they could use differently shaped dashed orange lines? |
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On 07/04/2021 01:10, Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote: On 06/04/2021 23:39, Recliner wrote: None of the LO services currently have official names, though of course locals might continue to use the historical names (DC Line, etc). The problem with some of the old geographic names is that multiple modern routes share some lines. I hope the Chingford Line and the Enfield Town/Cheshunt line get different names and colours on the map, because the latter calls at London Fields and Cambridge Heath and the former doesn't. I like Ermine Line for the Cheshunt line, because Liverpool Street, Stoke Newington, Bruce Grove, Edmonton Green and Theobalds Grove are all on the Roman road Ermine Street. But they'll probably go for George Floyd line instead. Whatever the names, I don't think they can get new colours. There just aren't enough distinct shades available. I wonder if they could use differently shaped dashed orange lines? They could use hollow lines, as currently used for the LO and DLR. The three DLR lines shown on https://tfl.gov.uk/maps/track/dlr should have names and colours on the main Tube map as well. -- Basil Jet recently enjoyed listening to 2001 - Crow Sit On Blood Tree - Graham Coxon |
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Basil Jet wrote:
On 07/04/2021 01:10, Recliner wrote: Basil Jet wrote: On 06/04/2021 23:39, Recliner wrote: None of the LO services currently have official names, though of course locals might continue to use the historical names (DC Line, etc). The problem with some of the old geographic names is that multiple modern routes share some lines. I hope the Chingford Line and the Enfield Town/Cheshunt line get different names and colours on the map, because the latter calls at London Fields and Cambridge Heath and the former doesn't. I like Ermine Line for the Cheshunt line, because Liverpool Street, Stoke Newington, Bruce Grove, Edmonton Green and Theobalds Grove are all on the Roman road Ermine Street. But they'll probably go for George Floyd line instead. Whatever the names, I don't think they can get new colours. There just aren't enough distinct shades available. I wonder if they could use differently shaped dashed orange lines? They could use hollow lines, as currently used for the LO and DLR. Yes, that could work. The three DLR lines shown on https://tfl.gov.uk/maps/track/dlr should have names and colours on the main Tube map as well. Are there only three DLR lines? Meanwhile, someone has suggested new names for the existing lines: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EyWytx_XAAIGWnB?format=jpg&name=large |
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On Wed, 7 Apr 2021 08:44:48 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote: Basil Jet wrote: The three DLR lines shown on https://tfl.gov.uk/maps/track/dlr should have names and colours on the main Tube map as well. Are there only three DLR lines? They're not really even lines, just routes with plenty of shared running. |
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On Wed, 7 Apr 2021 13:39:48 +0100
Basil Jet wrote: On 07/04/2021 11:59, wrote: On Wed, 7 Apr 2021 08:44:48 -0000 (UTC) Recliner wrote: Basil Jet wrote: The three DLR lines shown on https://tfl.gov.uk/maps/track/dlr should have names and colours on the main Tube map as well. Are there only three DLR lines? They're not really even lines, just routes with plenty of shared running. That could be applied just as well, or badly, to the subsurface lines. If you're on foot halfway between Bank and Tower Gateway and you need to get to Beckton or City Airport, it would be nice if the standard Tube map told you which terminus has direct trains and which doesn't. When I last commuted on the DLR in 2015 trains from Bank went to IIRC 3 destinations so the map would probably look rather complex. |
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On 07/04/2021 09:44, Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote: The three DLR lines shown on https://tfl.gov.uk/maps/track/dlr should have names and colours on the main Tube map as well. Are there only three DLR lines? Grouping of services into lines is fairly arbitrary. The Central Line has multiple services branded as a single line, which keeps the map simple and has no obvious drawbacks. IMO the Northern services through Charing Cross and the Northern services through Bank should be named and coloured separately, even if the timetable remains the same as now, to stop tourists thinking you can get the Northern Line from Leicester Square to Kings Cross. As for the DLR, the Tower-Beckton has to have a different colour from the Bank - Woolwich, and the two lines at Stratford need different colours and names from each other. I think the three groupings used on the map I linked to are the minimal solution that meets those requirements, although the colours need to be more different - they are using slight variations on the DLR colour, when LU isn't stupid enough to use different shades of red and blue for all of their lines. My fantasy for a long time is for the Overground lines to be named after animals with distinctive coats, and for nearly all of the LU stock to be liveried like the animals (apart from a few line-hopping spares in the current livery). An unrecognised asset pretty much unique to LO is loads of bridges in prominent locations like Camden and Shoreditch, and these could also be liveried like the trains. The livery would also appear in simplified form on the tube map line. So, the East London Line becomes "The Tiger" (no "line"), and the trains, bridges and map line have tiger appearance - the Chingford line becomes "The Giraffe", the Romford-Upminster becomes "The Ladybird" etc. This would actually turn the LO into a tourist attraction, with people heading out to Romford just to see the Ladybird train. See https://mk0brilliantmaptxoqs.kinstac...15-cropped.png for a reminder of the old black and white tube map, for an indication of how patterned versions of coloured lines could represent the LO and the DLR. -- Basil Jet recently enjoyed listening to 2003 - The Lemon Of Pink - The Books |
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On 07/04/2021 18:32, Basil Jet wrote:
On 07/04/2021 09:44, Recliner wrote: Basil Jet wrote: The three DLR lines shown on https://tfl.gov.uk/maps/track/dlr should have names and colours on the main Tube map as well. Are there only three DLR lines? Grouping of services into lines is fairly arbitrary. The Central Line has multiple services branded as a single line, which keeps the map simple and has no obvious drawbacks. IMO the Northern services through Charing Cross and the Northern services through Bank should be named and coloured separately, even if the timetable remains the same as now, to stop tourists thinking you can get the Northern Line from Leicester Square to Kings Cross. As for the DLR, the Tower-Beckton has to have a different colour from the Bank - Woolwich, and the two lines at Stratford need different colours and names from each other. I think the three groupings used on the map I linked to are the minimal solution that meets those requirements, although the colours need to be more different - they are using slight variations on the DLR colour, when LU isn't stupid enough to use different shades of red and blue for all of their lines. My fantasy for a long time is for the Overground lines to be named after animals with distinctive coats, and for nearly all of the LU stock to be liveried like the animals (apart from a few line-hopping spares in the current livery). An unrecognised asset pretty much unique to LO is loads of bridges in prominent locations like Camden and Shoreditch, and these could also be liveried like the trains. The livery would also appear in simplified form on the tube map line. So, the East London Line becomes "The Tiger" (no "line"), and the trains, bridges and map line have tiger appearance - the Chingford line becomes "The Giraffe", the Romford-Upminster becomes "The Ladybird" etc. This would actually turn the LO into a tourist attraction, with people heading out to Romford just to see the Ladybird train. See https://mk0brilliantmaptxoqs.kinstac...15-cropped.png for a reminder of the old black and white tube map, for an indication of how patterned versions of coloured lines could represent the LO and the DLR. There are too many colours on the map already, enough to make it impossible to distinguish between them for some of us. |
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Basil Jet wrote:
My fantasy for a long time is for the Overground lines to be named after animals with distinctive coats, and for nearly all of the LU stock to be liveried like the animals (apart from a few line-hopping spares in the current livery). ... So, the East London Line becomes "The Tiger" (no "line"), and the trains, bridges and map line have tiger appearance - the Chingford line becomes "The Giraffe", the Romford-Upminster becomes "The Ladybird" etc. https://www.lothianbuses.com/news/2017/10/edinburgh-goes-wild-for-new-zoo-design-buses/ I know children who say things like “look, it’s the lemur bus!” Sam -- The entity formerly known as Spit the dummy to reply |
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There are too many colours on the map already, enough to make it impossible to distinguish between them for some of us. Too many designers fail to appreciate the issues of colour blindness. It's not just the London Underground Diagram, web pages, print advertising; almost anything that uses colour. I sometimes think patterns might be better but I find myself wondering if they might cause other problems (epilepsy?). When I was tested for colour blindness there was some interesting literature I was provided with which suggested that the spectacles that get prescribed for colour blindness have been shown to help some dyslexics. I don't know, just reporting what was claimed. But one thing a dyslexic child was claimed to have said stuck with me "the letters in the words dance across the page". It made me realise there's an awful lot we don't know about ourselves. |
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On Wed, 07 Apr 2021 23:15:00 +0100, Graham Harrison
wrote: snip There are too many colours on the map already, enough to make it impossible to distinguish between them for some of us. Too many designers fail to appreciate the issues of colour blindness. It's not just the London Underground Diagram, web pages, print advertising; almost anything that uses colour. I sometimes think patterns might be better but I find myself wondering if they might cause other problems (epilepsy?). When I was tested for colour blindness there was some interesting literature I was provided with which suggested that the spectacles that get prescribed for colour blindness have been shown to help some dyslexics. I don't know, just reporting what was claimed. But one thing a dyslexic child was claimed to have said stuck with me "the letters in the words dance across the page". It made me realise there's an awful lot we don't know about ourselves. That dyslexic child is not alone. That effect is one of the reasons you see some people reading while moving a rule under each line or moving their finger along the text (other than when that is done to keep your place while reading out to and intermittently looking toward an audience). |
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On 07/04/2021 23:15, Graham Harrison wrote:
snip There are too many colours on the map already, enough to make it impossible to distinguish between them for some of us. Too many designers fail to appreciate the issues of colour blindness. https://content.tfl.gov.uk/bw-large-print-map.pdf -- Basil Jet recently enjoyed listening to 2004 - 18 Monkeys On A Dead Man's Chest - David Thomas & Two Pale Boys |
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On 07/04/2021 22:13, Sam Wilson wrote:
Basil Jet wrote: My fantasy for a long time is for the Overground lines to be named after animals with distinctive coats, and for nearly all of the LU stock to be liveried like the animals (apart from a few line-hopping spares in the current livery). ... So, the East London Line becomes "The Tiger" (no "line"), and the trains, bridges and map line have tiger appearance - the Chingford line becomes "The Giraffe", the Romford-Upminster becomes "The Ladybird" etc. https://www.lothianbuses.com/news/2017/10/edinburgh-goes-wild-for-new-zoo-design-buses/ I know children who say things like “look, it’s the lemur bus!” Sam I wasn't suggesting the trains have pictures of animal faces or body shapes, but that the entire train be covered in zebra stripes etc. -- Basil Jet recently enjoyed listening to 2004 - 18 Monkeys On A Dead Man's Chest - David Thomas & Two Pale Boys |
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Basil Jet wrote:
On 07/04/2021 22:13, Sam Wilson wrote: Basil Jet wrote: My fantasy for a long time is for the Overground lines to be named after animals with distinctive coats, and for nearly all of the LU stock to be liveried like the animals (apart from a few line-hopping spares in the current livery). ... So, the East London Line becomes "The Tiger" (no "line"), and the trains, bridges and map line have tiger appearance - the Chingford line becomes "The Giraffe", the Romford-Upminster becomes "The Ladybird" etc. https://www.lothianbuses.com/news/2017/10/edinburgh-goes-wild-for-new-zoo-design-buses/ I know children who say things like “look, it’s the lemur bus!” Sam I wasn't suggesting the trains have pictures of animal faces or body shapes, but that the entire train be covered in zebra stripes etc. Obviously not an option with LO, as the fleet is mostly shared between routes. ' |
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Basil Jet wrote:
My fantasy for a long time is for the Overground lines to be named after animals with distinctive coats, Romford-Upminster becomes "The Ladybird" etc. This would actually turn the LO into a tourist attraction, with people heading out to Romford just to see the Ladybird train. The I.O.W got there first. Such things date very quickly. https://www.flickr.com/photos/britis...0s/30918342656 GH |
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On 08/04/2021 06:24, Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote: On 07/04/2021 22:13, Sam Wilson wrote: Basil Jet wrote: My fantasy for a long time is for the Overground lines to be named after animals with distinctive coats, and for nearly all of the LU stock to be liveried like the animals (apart from a few line-hopping spares in the current livery). ... So, the East London Line becomes "The Tiger" (no "line"), and the trains, bridges and map line have tiger appearance - the Chingford line becomes "The Giraffe", the Romford-Upminster becomes "The Ladybird" etc. https://www.lothianbuses.com/news/2017/10/edinburgh-goes-wild-for-new-zoo-design-buses/ I know children who say things like “look, it’s the lemur bus!” Sam I wasn't suggesting the trains have pictures of animal faces or body shapes, but that the entire train be covered in zebra stripes etc. Obviously not an option with LO, as the fleet is mostly shared between routes. ' Shared over a week, but are there any shared diagrams? Is there any downside to having mostly dedicated fleets with a few spares in corporate livery? Anglia have liveried trains for the Bittern line, East Suffolk line etc, but I've only ever seen them on the wrong lines! -- Basil Jet recently enjoyed listening to 2004 - 18 Monkeys On A Dead Man's Chest - David Thomas & Two Pale Boys |
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On 08/04/2021 09:24, Marland wrote:
Basil Jet wrote: My fantasy for a long time is for the Overground lines to be named after animals with distinctive coats, Romford-Upminster becomes "The Ladybird" etc. This would actually turn the LO into a tourist attraction, with people heading out to Romford just to see the Ladybird train. The I.O.W got there first. Such things date very quickly. https://www.flickr.com/photos/britis...0s/30918342656 They were tacky and childish. I don't think an entire train in giraffe patches would look bad. -- Basil Jet recently enjoyed listening to 2004 - 18 Monkeys On A Dead Man's Chest - David Thomas & Two Pale Boys |
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Basil Jet wrote:
On 08/04/2021 06:24, Recliner wrote: Basil Jet wrote: On 07/04/2021 22:13, Sam Wilson wrote: Basil Jet wrote: My fantasy for a long time is for the Overground lines to be named after animals with distinctive coats, and for nearly all of the LU stock to be liveried like the animals (apart from a few line-hopping spares in the current livery). ... So, the East London Line becomes "The Tiger" (no "line"), and the trains, bridges and map line have tiger appearance - the Chingford line becomes "The Giraffe", the Romford-Upminster becomes "The Ladybird" etc. https://www.lothianbuses.com/news/2017/10/edinburgh-goes-wild-for-new-zoo-design-buses/ I know children who say things like “look, it’s the lemur bus!” Sam I wasn't suggesting the trains have pictures of animal faces or body shapes, but that the entire train be covered in zebra stripes etc. Obviously not an option with LO, as the fleet is mostly shared between routes. ' Shared over a week, but are there any shared diagrams? Is there any downside to having mostly dedicated fleets with a few spares in corporate livery? I haven’t noticed it so much recently, but Edinburgh used to have quite a lot of dedicated buses with the route number included in the livery as well as on the indicator blinds. Anglia have liveried trains for the Bittern line, East Suffolk line etc, but I've only ever seen them on the wrong lines! You could argue that the smaller open access operators do exactly that! Sam -- The entity formerly known as Spit the dummy to reply |
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On 08/04/2021 13:16, Sam Wilson wrote:
Basil Jet wrote: On 08/04/2021 06:24, Recliner wrote: Obviously not an option with LO, as the fleet is mostly shared between routes. ' Shared over a week, but are there any shared diagrams? Is there any downside to having mostly dedicated fleets with a few spares in corporate livery? I haven’t noticed it so much recently, but Edinburgh used to have quite a lot of dedicated buses with the route number included in the livery as well as on the indicator blinds. London too... Route 13 springs to mind http://www.showbus.co.uk/photos/jjd417d.JPG But at the end of the day, it comes down to how the LO diagrams are operated. Does each service have dedicated diagrams? Do Chingford and Enfield services share diagrams, for instance? -- Basil Jet recently enjoyed listening to 2004 - 18 Monkeys On A Dead Man's Chest - David Thomas & Two Pale Boys |
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In message , at 11:44:51 on Thu, 8 Apr 2021,
Basil Jet remarked: Anglia have liveried trains for the Bittern line, East Suffolk line etc, but I've only ever seen them on the wrong lines! Odd you should mention that... this morning one of the Fen Line GN trains was liveried "Gatwick Express". Which more different to the plain livery than the straying GA Stansted Express ones (which are at least the correct side of the river). EMR appear to gave given up re-liverying the ex Stagecoach 158's on the Liverpool-Norwich route - there's still only one that I see (and that mainly at weekends). Slightly OT: Stagecoach buses on the Cambridge-Ely routes (A10 direct, and via Newmarket) have for last year been a mixture of regular ones, and various separately-liveried Cambridge P&R. -- Roland Perry |
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On Thu, 8 Apr 2021 13:56:46 +0100
Basil Jet wrote: On 08/04/2021 13:16, Sam Wilson wrote: Basil Jet wrote: On 08/04/2021 06:24, Recliner wrote: Obviously not an option with LO, as the fleet is mostly shared between routes. ' Shared over a week, but are there any shared diagrams? Is there any downside to having mostly dedicated fleets with a few spares in corporate livery? I haven’t noticed it so much recently, but Edinburgh used to have quite a lot of dedicated buses with the route number included in the livery as well as on the indicator blinds. London too... Route 13 springs to mind http://www.showbus.co.uk/photos/jjd417d.JPG That was a special service though. IIRC 13 was the only route left with Routemasters on it. If however you're a bus company with multiple routes and a general fleet of buses, painting specific route numbers on the sides doesn't sound like the smartest idea for obvious reasons. |
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On 08/04/2021 13:16, Sam Wilson wrote:
Basil Jet wrote: On 08/04/2021 06:24, Recliner wrote: Basil Jet wrote: On 07/04/2021 22:13, Sam Wilson wrote: Basil Jet wrote: My fantasy for a long time is for the Overground lines to be named after animals with distinctive coats, and for nearly all of the LU stock to be liveried like the animals (apart from a few line-hopping spares in the current livery). ... So, the East London Line becomes "The Tiger" (no "line"), and the trains, bridges and map line have tiger appearance - the Chingford line becomes "The Giraffe", the Romford-Upminster becomes "The Ladybird" etc. https://www.lothianbuses.com/news/2017/10/edinburgh-goes-wild-for-new-zoo-design-buses/ I know children who say things like “look, it’s the lemur bus!” Sam I wasn't suggesting the trains have pictures of animal faces or body shapes, but that the entire train be covered in zebra stripes etc. Obviously not an option with LO, as the fleet is mostly shared between routes. ' Shared over a week, but are there any shared diagrams? Is there any downside to having mostly dedicated fleets with a few spares in corporate livery? I haven’t noticed it so much recently, but Edinburgh used to have quite a lot of dedicated buses with the route number included in the livery as well as on the indicator blinds. Reading buses go in for different liveries for different routes. -- Graeme Wall This account not read. |
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On 08/04/2021 15:53, wrote:
On Thu, 8 Apr 2021 13:56:46 +0100 Basil Jet wrote: On 08/04/2021 13:16, Sam Wilson wrote: Basil Jet wrote: On 08/04/2021 06:24, Recliner wrote: Obviously not an option with LO, as the fleet is mostly shared between routes. ' Shared over a week, but are there any shared diagrams? Is there any downside to having mostly dedicated fleets with a few spares in corporate livery? I haven’t noticed it so much recently, but Edinburgh used to have quite a lot of dedicated buses with the route number included in the livery as well as on the indicator blinds. London too... Route 13 springs to mind http://www.showbus.co.uk/photos/jjd417d.JPG That was a special service though. IIRC 13 was the only route left with Routemasters on it. If however you're a bus company with multiple routes and a general fleet of buses, painting specific route numbers on the sides doesn't sound like the smartest idea for obvious reasons. Quite a lot do it though. -- Graeme Wall This account not read. |
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On 08/04/2021 18:07, Graeme Wall wrote:
On 08/04/2021 15:53, wrote: On Thu, 8 Apr 2021 13:56:46 +0100 Basil Jet wrote: On 08/04/2021 13:16, Sam Wilson wrote: Basil Jet wrote: On 08/04/2021 06:24, Recliner wrote: Obviously not an option with LO, as the fleet is mostly shared between routes. ' Shared over a week, but are there any shared diagrams? Is there any downside to having mostly dedicated fleets with a few spares in corporate livery? I haven’t noticed it so much recently, but Edinburgh used to have quite a lot of dedicated buses with the route number included in the livery as well as on the indicator blinds. London too... Route 13 springs to mind http://www.showbus.co.uk/photos/jjd417d.JPG That was a special service though. IIRC 13 was the only route left with Routemasters on it. If however you're a bus company with multiple routes and a general fleet of buses, painting specific route numbers on the sides doesn't sound like the smartest idea for obvious reasons. Quite a lot do it though. Here's a Brighton one... -- Basil Jet recently enjoyed listening to 2015 - Daylight Versions - The Leaf Library |
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"Graeme Wall" wrote in message
... Reading buses go in for different liveries for different routes. Some said that at one time the York Park&Ride buses used have different liveries for the different routes, depending on which P&R car-park they went to/from. But by the time I used them, they were a standard livery - the same as the non-P&R buses (*) - and distinguished only by the LED display with the number and the route name (I think it alternated between the colour-name of the route and the name of the car-park). What is always amusing is if a bus company has temporarily borrowed a few buses from another company: there's something a bit weird getting on a bus in York which has bus-company or place-of-interest adverts for Sheffield or Leeds. I think the furthest afield was one that was from the Exeter area. That's a hell of a long way to transport a bus that you've borrowed ;-) (*) It's a shame there wasn't a different livery that was common for all P&R buses (irrespective of route) so you could distinguish "your" bus from other routes that happened to use the same bus-stop in town. It would everyone standing up in anticipation, only to realise that it's the wrong bus as it gets close enough to read the LED sign. |
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"Basil Jet" wrote in message
... I haven’t noticed it so much recently, but Edinburgh used to have quite a lot of dedicated buses with the route number included in the livery as well as on the indicator blinds. London too... Route 13 springs to mind http://www.showbus.co.uk/photos/jjd417d.JPG That was a special service though. IIRC 13 was the only route left with Routemasters on it. If however you're a bus company with multiple routes and a general fleet of buses, painting specific route numbers on the sides doesn't sound like the smartest idea for obvious reasons. Quite a lot do it though. Here's a Brighton one... That's fair enough. The buses that do long-distance routes (the Leeds-York-Malton-Scarborough/Whitby "Coastliner" is the one near me) tend to be higher spec and more powerful for going further and faster, and getting up hills (Whitwell Hill is the killer for buses on the A64), so they have a dedicated fleet with specific livery. But the livery doesn't go down to the level of separate paint jobs depending on whether the bus goes to Whitby or Scarborough after Malton :-) The Number 36 Ripon-Harrogate-Leeds buses are a specific livery with those destinations painted on the side - but that's a fast and frequent service with little extras like USB charging points and wifi (introduced long before it became common even on local buses). (By rights, that bus should be the reinstated Ripon railway service, but the 36 bus is so good that trains could probably not compete on price, and *maybe* not on journey time, so the line will probably never be re-opened now.) |
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Graeme Wall wrote:
On 08/04/2021 13:16, Sam Wilson wrote: I haven’t noticed it so much recently, but Edinburgh used to have quite a lot of dedicated buses with the route number included in the livery as well as on the indicator blinds. Reading buses go in for different liveries for different routes. That was used by some Edwardian Tram operators as in the 1900’s people were less literate than they are now, Glasgow was one of the larger operators to use the method and augmented the livery by having an appropriates coloured lamp shining forward which you probably could not do on a bus due to C+U regulations ruling out Red shining forward. The system ceased to be used from 1938. On such a large Network there had to be duplication. Someone has patiently created a LU style map of the routes. https://www.flickr.com/photos/kaputniq/46734214652/ The use of the number within the livery seems quite widespread where an operator runs a route it wishes to set apart from the tour around the suburbs operations such as the various X for express services around the country, sometimes with a line map of the stops served. Occasionally they have a really dedicated colour livery as well ,Stagecoach favour Gold for many such services. First operate some routes with a dedicated route livery such as between Poole and Exeter with scenic X53 Jurassic Coast service., this year they are delivering new vehicles to the service in a dedicated livery so they must still see some merit in such branding. https://twitter.com/firstdorset/stat...63208940793856 First pulled out of much of Devon a few years ago now leaving StageCoach to resurrect some routes. This meant that fast bus service between Exeter and Bude which was deliberately branded as the Atlantic Coast Express in homage to the train of that name parts of which ran that way lost the name. https://www.focustransport.org/2012/...rth-devon.html Are there any other bus services that use or used a former train service name. GH |
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On 08/04/2021 13:16, Sam Wilson wrote:
I haven’t noticed it so much recently, but Edinburgh used to have quite a lot of dedicated buses with the route number included in the livery as well as on the indicator blinds. Stagecoach do that a lot (at least in some areas). At weekends it's common to see buses on the wrong routes. |
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On Thu, 8 Apr 2021 21:35:31 +0100, "NY" wrote:
"Graeme Wall" wrote in message ... Reading buses go in for different liveries for different routes. Some said that at one time the York Park&Ride buses used have different liveries for the different routes, depending on which P&R car-park they went to/from. But by the time I used them, they were a standard livery - the same as the non-P&R buses (*) - and distinguished only by the LED display with the number and the route name (I think it alternated between the colour-name of the route and the name of the car-park). What is always amusing is if a bus company has temporarily borrowed a few buses from another company: there's something a bit weird getting on a bus in York which has bus-company or place-of-interest adverts for Sheffield or Leeds. I think the furthest afield was one that was from the Exeter area. That's a hell of a long way to transport a bus that you've borrowed ;-) When I lived im Manchester, we had Pacers which were withrawn from Cornwall because the curves were too tigh. These still had Cornish ads and wers till painted chocolate and cream )their only redeeming feature). We also had ex- Glasgoe Class 303 units, still painted in Strathclyde livery, with Glasgow adverts and maps. |
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NY wrote:
"Graeme Wall" wrote in message ... Reading buses go in for different liveries for different routes. Some said that at one time the York Park&Ride buses used have different liveries for the different routes, depending on which P&R car-park they went to/from. But by the time I used them, they were a standard livery - the same as the non-P&R buses (*) - and distinguished only by the LED display with the number and the route name (I think it alternated between the colour-name of the route and the name of the car-park). What is always amusing is if a bus company has temporarily borrowed a few buses from another company: there's something a bit weird getting on a bus in York which has bus-company or place-of-interest adverts for Sheffield or Leeds. I think the furthest afield was one that was from the Exeter area. That's a hell of a long way to transport a bus that you've borrowed ;-) Quite a long time ago now after the break up and privatisation of the National Bus Company one of the smaller operations created was the North Devon operation branded as Red Bus, an unusual colour for the area which had long been a bastion of Southern and Western National green. Till they were repainted the buses as well as having the name Red Bus applied on a white patch carried labels stating “This is now a Red Bus” which at least gave the new operation a little publicity in the area, however sometime later I saw one of the vehicles still in green either transferred or loaned to Hampshire bus on an Andover to Basingstoke service still carrying adverts for Devon businesses and also the “This is now a Red Bus” stickers. Gawd knows many stereotype opinions of people in the Southwest being country bumpkins were reinforced in observers. Going further back than I can remember during WW2 Bournemouth Corporation Trolleybuses were loaned to London Transport and their Primrose Yellow livery must have made quite a contrast to the usual in Ilford where they were based as with less seats than London Trolleys that area was quieter. They returned home when a batch of trolleys destined for South Africa were allocated to London , this required a change in UK construction and rules as they were 6 inches wider than and heavier than what was allowed on UK buses at the time they also went to Ilford as it was felt the streets were generally wider than those of central London , The change was permanent and post war buses were wider than their older brethren so drivers soon had to cope everywhere. The South Africans got a new batch postwar and London held onto the originals,they were regarded as quite luxurious as they retained tinted and opening windows for a climate they never saw though once it was obvious they were never going the front entrance doors temporarily covered were removed fully. The South African design influenced the Londons last batch of Trolleys post war the Q1 model which apart from minor details was also used by Glasgow and Newcastle. GH |
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On Thu, 8 Apr 2021 13:56:46 +0100 Basil Jet wrote: On 08/04/2021 13:16, Sam Wilson wrote: Basil Jet wrote: On 08/04/2021 06:24, Recliner wrote: Obviously not an option with LO, as the fleet is mostly shared between routes. ' Shared over a week, but are there any shared diagrams? Is there any downside to having mostly dedicated fleets with a few spares in corporate livery? I haven’t noticed it so much recently, but Edinburgh used to have quite a lot of dedicated buses with the route number included in the livery as well as on the indicator blinds. London too... Route 13 springs to mind http://www.showbus.co.uk/photos/jjd417d.JPG That was a special service though. IIRC 13 was the only route left with Routemasters on it. If however you're a bus company with multiple routes and a general fleet of buses, painting specific route numbers on the sides doesn't sound like the smartest idea for obvious reasons. And yet it's not uncommon. Anna Noyd-Dryver |
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Graeme Wall wrote:
On 08/04/2021 13:16, Sam Wilson wrote: Basil Jet wrote: On 08/04/2021 06:24, Recliner wrote: Basil Jet wrote: On 07/04/2021 22:13, Sam Wilson wrote: Basil Jet wrote: My fantasy for a long time is for the Overground lines to be named after animals with distinctive coats, and for nearly all of the LU stock to be liveried like the animals (apart from a few line-hopping spares in the current livery). ... So, the East London Line becomes "The Tiger" (no "line"), and the trains, bridges and map line have tiger appearance - the Chingford line becomes "The Giraffe", the Romford-Upminster becomes "The Ladybird" etc. https://www.lothianbuses.com/news/2017/10/edinburgh-goes-wild-for-new-zoo-design-buses/ I know children who say things like “look, it’s the lemur bus!” Sam I wasn't suggesting the trains have pictures of animal faces or body shapes, but that the entire train be covered in zebra stripes etc. Obviously not an option with LO, as the fleet is mostly shared between routes. ' Shared over a week, but are there any shared diagrams? Is there any downside to having mostly dedicated fleets with a few spares in corporate livery? I haven’t noticed it so much recently, but Edinburgh used to have quite a lot of dedicated buses with the route number included in the livery as well as on the indicator blinds. Reading buses go in for different liveries for different routes. As do First in Bristol, though some are shared between routes which have significant sections in common (eg 1/2 and 3/4). More recently they've changed some route liveries to be more generic 'north/south of city routes'. Anna Noyd-Dryver |
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On 09/04/2021 06:15, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
Graeme Wall wrote: On 08/04/2021 13:16, Sam Wilson wrote: Basil Jet wrote: On 08/04/2021 06:24, Recliner wrote: Basil Jet wrote: On 07/04/2021 22:13, Sam Wilson wrote: Basil Jet wrote: My fantasy for a long time is for the Overground lines to be named after animals with distinctive coats, and for nearly all of the LU stock to be liveried like the animals (apart from a few line-hopping spares in the current livery). ... So, the East London Line becomes "The Tiger" (no "line"), and the trains, bridges and map line have tiger appearance - the Chingford line becomes "The Giraffe", the Romford-Upminster becomes "The Ladybird" etc. https://www.lothianbuses.com/news/2017/10/edinburgh-goes-wild-for-new-zoo-design-buses/ I know children who say things like “look, it’s the lemur bus!” Sam I wasn't suggesting the trains have pictures of animal faces or body shapes, but that the entire train be covered in zebra stripes etc. Obviously not an option with LO, as the fleet is mostly shared between routes. ' Shared over a week, but are there any shared diagrams? Is there any downside to having mostly dedicated fleets with a few spares in corporate livery? I haven’t noticed it so much recently, but Edinburgh used to have quite a lot of dedicated buses with the route number included in the livery as well as on the indicator blinds. Reading buses go in for different liveries for different routes. As do First in Bristol, though some are shared between routes which have significant sections in common (eg 1/2 and 3/4). More recently they've changed some route liveries to be more generic 'north/south of city routes'. The classic use of different colours for different routes is in Buenos Aires where each of over 100 different routes has its own colour scheme. Originally the buses were all operated by owner-drivers and each driver belonged to a cooperative that had the licence to operate one route. -- Graeme Wall This account not read. |
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Basil Jet wrote:
My fantasy for a long time is for the Overground lines to be named after animals with distinctive coats, and for nearly all of the LU stock to be liveried like the animals (apart from a few line-hopping spares in the current livery). An unrecognised asset pretty much unique to LO is loads of bridges in prominent locations like Camden and Shoreditch, and these could also be liveried like the trains. The livery would also appear in simplified form on the tube map line. So, the East London Line becomes "The Tiger" (no "line"), and the trains, bridges and map line have tiger appearance - the Chingford line becomes "The Giraffe", the Romford-Upminster becomes "The Ladybird" etc. This would actually turn the LO into a tourist attraction, with people heading out to Romford just to see the Ladybird train. That's the kind of thing a Japanese private or third sector branch line might do! Anna Noyd-Dryver |
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