On Wed, 5 May 2021 08:35:13 +0000 (UTC),
wrote:

On Tue, 04 May 2021 22:33:51 +0100
Nigel Emery wrote:
than it was in the early 90s. Had we have won the body shells would
have been made in Japan

Good thing you didn't then.

site. A short test track next to our existing Fighting Vehicle test
track was planned. We didn't have a rail connection which seemed a bit
of a problem to me but at that time that was well above my pay grade!

Wasn't a problem for the 2009 stock that was idiotically made too big** to fit
on the piccadilly line

It was actually made to fit the Victoria Line.
snip

On Sat, 1 May 2021 17:57:28 -0000 (UTC)
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
wrote:
On Sat, 1 May 2021 14:23:32 -0000 (UTC)
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
Recliner wrote:
Wouldn't the D stock have quite a bit in common with the 73TS?


D stock had rather more in common with 83ts.

The 83 stock was scrapped when some of the vehicles were only 15 years old.
It
was a bloody scandal that no one seemed interested in. But as I've said
before, its easy to spend money with abandon when its not your own and comes

from ticket receipts and central government.



AIUI it was pretty much the Austin Allegro of tube stock. At what point do
you stop throwing good money after bad and admit that something wasn't very
good?

Their only issue was single leaf doors. There was nothing wrong with them
mechanically.

In uk.railway wrote:
The 83 stock was scrapped when some of the vehicles were only 15 years old. It
was a bloody scandal that no one seemed interested in. But as I've said
before, its easy to spend money with abandon when its not your own and comes
from ticket receipts and central government.

Wikipedia:

With the Jubilee Line Extension in mind, it was originally planned that the
1983 Stock would be heavily refurbished to run alongside the newer 1996
Stock that entered service on the Jubilee line in 1997; the plans included
replacing the single leaf doors with double doors to speed up passenger
boarding. The 1983 Stock was to be given similar interiors. This was
abandoned due to the cost being only 10% cheaper than re-equipping the line
entirely with the 1996 Stock. Then it was proposed for the 1983 Stock to be
added to the refurbished 1973 Stock on the Piccadilly line and serve the
Rayners Lane - Uxbridge section of the line. This was also abandoned on the
grounds of cost.


New car or refurb old banger for 90% of the cost? Your choice.

Theo

"Theo" wrote in message
...
In uk.railway wrote:
The 83 stock was scrapped when some of the vehicles were only 15 years
old. It
was a bloody scandal that no one seemed interested in. But as I've said
before, its easy to spend money with abandon when its not your own and
comes
from ticket receipts and central government.

Wikipedia:

With the Jubilee Line Extension in mind, it was originally planned that
the
1983 Stock would be heavily refurbished to run alongside the newer 1996
Stock that entered service on the Jubilee line in 1997; the plans included
replacing the single leaf doors with double doors to speed up passenger
boarding. The 1983 Stock was to be given similar interiors. This was
abandoned due to the cost being only 10% cheaper than re-equipping the
line
entirely with the 1996 Stock. Then it was proposed for the 1983 Stock to
be
added to the refurbished 1973 Stock on the Piccadilly line and serve the
Rayners Lane - Uxbridge section of the line. This was also abandoned on
the
grounds of cost.


New car or refurb old banger for 90% of the cost? Your choice.

So, they were scrapped because someone ordered a fleet of vehicles with
single doors, for a lightly used line and then found there was nowhere else
to use them when loadings increased and they because unsuitable for use on
the original line.

That seems to be a cock up in procurement rather than
engineering/manufacturer

On 01 May 2021 20:29:47 +0100 (BST), Theo
wrote:

In uk.railway wrote:
The 83 stock was scrapped when some of the vehicles were only 15 years old. It
was a bloody scandal that no one seemed interested in. But as I've said
before, its easy to spend money with abandon when its not your own and comes
from ticket receipts and central government.

Wikipedia:

With the Jubilee Line Extension in mind, it was originally planned that the
1983 Stock would be heavily refurbished to run alongside the newer 1996
Stock that entered service on the Jubilee line in 1997; the plans included
replacing the single leaf doors with double doors to speed up passenger
boarding. The 1983 Stock was to be given similar interiors. This was
abandoned due to the cost being only 10% cheaper than re-equipping the line
entirely with the 1996 Stock. Then it was proposed for the 1983 Stock to be
added to the refurbished 1973 Stock on the Piccadilly line and serve the
Rayners Lane - Uxbridge section of the line. This was also abandoned on the
grounds of cost.

Eh? Rayner's Lane to Uxbridge? Ot did I mis-read it?
New car or refurb old banger for 90% of the cost? Your choice.

Theo

On 01 May 2021 20:29:47 +0100 (BST)
Theo wrote:
In uk.railway wrote:
The 83 stock was scrapped when some of the vehicles were only 15 years old.
It
was a bloody scandal that no one seemed interested in. But as I've said
before, its easy to spend money with abandon when its not your own and comes

from ticket receipts and central government.

Wikipedia:

With the Jubilee Line Extension in mind, it was originally planned that the
1983 Stock would be heavily refurbished to run alongside the newer 1996
Stock that entered service on the Jubilee line in 1997; the plans included
replacing the single leaf doors with double doors to speed up passenger
boarding. The 1983 Stock was to be given similar interiors. This was
abandoned due to the cost being only 10% cheaper than re-equipping the line
entirely with the 1996 Stock. Then it was proposed for the 1983 Stock to be
added to the refurbished 1973 Stock on the Piccadilly line and serve the
Rayners Lane - Uxbridge section of the line. This was also abandoned on the
grounds of cost.

What cost, putting new line stickers in the vehicles? Sounds like an excuse.
There were a couple of them sitting at cockfosters for years mouldering away
then one week they vanished.

New car or refurb old banger for 90% of the cost? Your choice.

Its not just the financial cost, its the enviromental cost. Binning a few
thousand tons of train takes a large amount of energy to recycle all the
metal and no doubt the plastic and fabrics went to landfill. So in this
case I'd say refurb. Plus if they were going to run on the lightly used
uxbridge branch of the picc they wouldn't need anything done to them other
than a clean up.

Its the same excuse with the 373s, "Oh we can't find a buyer or use for them".
Well ****ing well try harder.