On Sat, 1 May 2021 14:23:32 -0000 (UTC)
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
Recliner wrote:
Wouldn't the D stock have quite a bit in common with the 73TS?


D stock had rather more in common with 83ts.

The 83 stock was scrapped when some of the vehicles were only 15 years old. It
was a bloody scandal that no one seemed interested in. But as I've said
before, its easy to spend money with abandon when its not your own and comes
from ticket receipts and central government.

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On Sat, 1 May 2021 14:23:32 -0000 (UTC)
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
Recliner wrote:
Wouldn't the D stock have quite a bit in common with the 73TS?


D stock had rather more in common with 83ts.

The 83 stock was scrapped when some of the vehicles were only 15 years old. It
was a bloody scandal that no one seemed interested in. But as I've said
before, its easy to spend money with abandon when its not your own and comes
from ticket receipts and central government.



AIUI it was pretty much the Austin Allegro of tube stock. At what point do
you stop throwing good money after bad and admit that something wasn't very
good?


Anna Noyd-Dryver

On 01/05/2021 18:57, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
wrote:
On Sat, 1 May 2021 14:23:32 -0000 (UTC)
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
Recliner wrote:
Wouldn't the D stock have quite a bit in common with the 73TS?


D stock had rather more in common with 83ts.

The 83 stock was scrapped when some of the vehicles were only 15 years old. It
was a bloody scandal that no one seemed interested in. But as I've said
before, its easy to spend money with abandon when its not your own and comes
from ticket receipts and central government.



AIUI it was pretty much the Austin Allegro of tube stock. At what point do
you stop throwing good money after bad and admit that something wasn't very
good?


Anna Noyd-Dryver


You've never heard of the SPV-2000, I'm guessing.

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On 01/05/2021 18:57, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
wrote:
On Sat, 1 May 2021 14:23:32 -0000 (UTC)
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
Recliner wrote:
Wouldn't the D stock have quite a bit in common with the 73TS?


D stock had rather more in common with 83ts.

The 83 stock was scrapped when some of the vehicles were only 15 years old. It
was a bloody scandal that no one seemed interested in. But as I've said
before, its easy to spend money with abandon when its not your own and comes
from ticket receipts and central government.



AIUI it was pretty much the Austin Allegro of tube stock. At what point do
you stop throwing good money after bad and admit that something wasn't very
good?


You've never heard of the SPV-2000, I'm guessing.


I have now; Wikipedia unfortunately appears to be pretty light on detail
about what was wrong with them.


Anna Noyd-Dryver

On 02/05/2021 07:58, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
wrote:
On 01/05/2021 18:57, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
wrote:
On Sat, 1 May 2021 14:23:32 -0000 (UTC)
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
Recliner wrote:
Wouldn't the D stock have quite a bit in common with the 73TS?


D stock had rather more in common with 83ts.

The 83 stock was scrapped when some of the vehicles were only 15 years old. It
was a bloody scandal that no one seemed interested in. But as I've said
before, its easy to spend money with abandon when its not your own and comes
from ticket receipts and central government.



AIUI it was pretty much the Austin Allegro of tube stock. At what point do
you stop throwing good money after bad and admit that something wasn't very
good?


You've never heard of the SPV-2000, I'm guessing.


I have now; Wikipedia unfortunately appears to be pretty light on detail
about what was wrong with them.


Anna Noyd-Dryver

Too long to list.

Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
wrote:
On Sat, 1 May 2021 14:23:32 -0000 (UTC)
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
Recliner wrote:
Wouldn't the D stock have quite a bit in common with the 73TS?


D stock had rather more in common with 83ts.

The 83 stock was scrapped when some of the vehicles were only 15 years old. It
was a bloody scandal that no one seemed interested in. But as I've said
before, its easy to spend money with abandon when its not your own and comes
from ticket receipts and central government.



AIUI it was pretty much the Austin Allegro of tube stock. At what point do
you stop throwing good money after bad and admit that something wasn't very
good?


Given that it was based on the pretty successful D78, I wonder how they got
it so wrong?

On Sat, 1 May 2021 22:51:24 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
wrote:
On Sat, 1 May 2021 14:23:32 -0000 (UTC)
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
Recliner wrote:
Wouldn't the D stock have quite a bit in common with the 73TS?


D stock had rather more in common with 83ts.

The 83 stock was scrapped when some of the vehicles were only 15 years old.
It
was a bloody scandal that no one seemed interested in. But as I've said
before, its easy to spend money with abandon when its not your own and
comes
from ticket receipts and central government.



AIUI it was pretty much the Austin Allegro of tube stock. At what point do
you stop throwing good money after bad and admit that something wasn't very
good?


Given that it was based on the pretty successful D78, I wonder how they got
it so wrong?

There was little wrong with them from a passengers POV. I travelled on them
and found them much more pleasent than the other tired tube offerings at the
time.

On Sat, 1 May 2021 22:51:24 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
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Given that it was based on the pretty successful D78, I wonder how they got
it so wrong?

I worked on Jubilee Line extension stock in a minor way! GKN Defence
(yes you read that right) were the UK company working with whichever
of the Japanese companies ( Kawasaki Heavy Industries I think) were up
against Metro-Cammell. Kawasaki had had a bad experience doing a
refurbishment project on the New York metro so didn't want to go there
again. lt was clear London Underground didn't want to split the new
build and the refurbishment contracts so our consortium priced the job
to make the new build look more attractive. As that's what happened we
assumed the others bidders had done the same. 30 years on finding a
separate company to undertake the refurbishment would be much easier
than it was in the early 90s. Had we have won the body shells would
have been made in Japan with fit out and commission at the Telford
site. A short test track next to our existing Fighting Vehicle test
track was planned. We didn't have a rail connection which seemed a bit
of a problem to me but at that time that was well above my pay grade!

On Tue, 04 May 2021 22:33:51 +0100
Nigel Emery wrote:
than it was in the early 90s. Had we have won the body shells would
have been made in Japan

Good thing you didn't then.

site. A short test track next to our existing Fighting Vehicle test
track was planned. We didn't have a rail connection which seemed a bit
of a problem to me but at that time that was well above my pay grade!

Wasn't a problem for the 2009 stock that was idiotically made too big** to fit
on the piccadilly line so couldn't be taken to the victoria by rail and so
had to be bunged on the back of lorries to jam up north london roads
instead.

** Yet the design wastes huge amounts of space internally by pushing the seats
4 or 5 inches inwards from the windows with a ledge.

On Wed, 5 May 2021 08:35:13 +0000 (UTC),
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Good thing you didn't then.

No argument from me there! The irony was having at that point build
300 or so Warrior AVFs we'd have had no problem with the aluminium
welding!