"Dave Arquati" wrote in message
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http://www.richmondandtwickenhamtime..._crossrail.php
Stop dithering and give Kingston Crossrail

Cllr Bamford said: "Crossrail is vital to
Kingston's future. We are currently the
second biggest retail centre in London,

How do they figure that one? Surely they are behind the West End and
Croydon, and I would have thought they were behind Romford and Harrow as
well.

Kingston's Town Centre Manager Graham McNally
said: "We have brilliant bus services but compared
with other towns of a similar size such as Croydon,
the number of trains and carrying capacity is well down.

The difference is that Croydon has light and heavy railways coming from all
directions, mostly from places with limited shopping opportunities.
Crossrail won't give Kingston this, so it won't do anything for retail in
Kingston, any more than the Piccadilly Line does anything for retail in
Cockfosters. However, it will increase the number of drunks who accidentally
end up in Kingston late at night.

--
John Rowland - Spamtrapped
Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html
A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood.
That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes

Stop dithering and give Kingston Crossrail

Cllr Bamford said: "Crossrail is vital to
Kingston's future. We are currently the
second biggest retail centre in London,

How do they figure that one? Surely they are behind the West End and
Croydon, and I would have thought they were behind Romford and Harrow as
well.

My guess would be that on some measure or other Kingston beats
Croydon. In terms of sheer personal prejudice, I prefer shopping in
Kingston anyway.

Crossrail's a bit of a red herring as far as Kingston's transport
needs go. There are already two perfectly good railway lines to London
and no-one would want to get onto the District/NLL or any line running
through over it at Richmond as it's so bloody slow. The directions
poorly served are on the other side of the town. What I'd recommend
would be a tramway network with the following lines:
1) to Epsom via Surbiton, Tolworth, and Ewell Village (running on Wood
St, Eden St, Brook St, Penrhyn Rd, Surbiton Rd, Surbiton Hill Rd,
Ewell Rd, Tolworth Bway, Kingston Rd, High St Ewell, Epsom Rd, East
St, High St Epsom, Waterloo Rd, Station Appr)
2) to Leatherhead via Surbiton, Chessington, and Chessington WOA
(branching off (1), from Ewell Rd running on Ditton Rd, Hook Rd,
Leatherhead Rd, ROW parallel to Kingston Rd, alongside the railway,
Station Appr, Station Rd, North St, High St Leatherhead)
3) to Heathrow T4 via Hampton Court, Hampton, and Feltham (running on
Wood St, Clarence St, Kingston Bridge, Hampton Ct Rd, Church St, High
St Hampton, Uxbridge Rd, Hampton Rd W, Uxbridge Rd, Hanworth Rd,
Hounslow Rd, Bedfont La, Staines Rd, Gt SW Rd, then into the Airport)
4) to Weybridge via Hampton Court, East Molesey, and Walton-on-Thames
(branching off (3), from Hampton Ct Rd running on Hampton Ct Bridge,
Bridge Rd, Walton Rd, Terrace Rd, High St Walton, Ashley Rd, Queen's
Rd, Hanger Hill, Station Appr)

"James" wrote in message
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Stop dithering and give Kingston Crossrail

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Crossrail's a bit of a red herring as far as Kingston's transport
needs go. There are already two perfectly good railway lines to London
and no-one would want to get onto the District/NLL or any line running
through over it at Richmond as it's so bloody slow. The directions
poorly served are on the other side of the town. What I'd recommend
would be a tramway network with the following lines:
1) to Epsom via Surbiton, Tolworth, and Ewell Village (running on Wood
St, Eden St, Brook St, Penrhyn Rd, Surbiton Rd, Surbiton Hill Rd,
Ewell Rd, Tolworth Bway, Kingston Rd, High St Ewell, Epsom Rd, East
St, High St Epsom, Waterloo Rd, Station Appr)
2) to Leatherhead via Surbiton, Chessington, and Chessington WOA
(branching off (1), from Ewell Rd running on Ditton Rd, Hook Rd,
Leatherhead Rd, ROW parallel to Kingston Rd, alongside the railway,
Station Appr, Station Rd, North St, High St Leatherhead)
3) to Heathrow T4 via Hampton Court, Hampton, and Feltham (running on
Wood St, Clarence St, Kingston Bridge, Hampton Ct Rd, Church St, High
St Hampton, Uxbridge Rd, Hampton Rd W, Uxbridge Rd, Hanworth Rd,
Hounslow Rd, Bedfont La, Staines Rd, Gt SW Rd, then into the Airport)
4) to Weybridge via Hampton Court, East Molesey, and Walton-on-Thames
(branching off (3), from Hampton Ct Rd running on Hampton Ct Bridge,
Bridge Rd, Walton Rd, Terrace Rd, High St Walton, Ashley Rd, Queen's
Rd, Hanger Hill, Station Appr)

I love it. Trams past my front door again - took me back to trolleybuses
past the door in the house I grew up in. However, some of those routes are a
trifle optimistic. I don't quite see how you'd make some of the curves on
those routes (very short trams needed!) and some roads like Ewell High
Street would present a challenge - but you get my vote!

Paul

Crossrail's a bit of a red herring as far as Kingston's transport
needs go. There are already two perfectly good railway lines to London
and no-one would want to get onto the District/NLL or any line running
through over it at Richmond as it's so bloody slow. The directions
poorly served are on the other side of the town. What I'd recommend
would be a tramway network with the following lines:
1) to Epsom via Surbiton, Tolworth, and Ewell Village (running on Wood
St, Eden St, Brook St, Penrhyn Rd, Surbiton Rd, Surbiton Hill Rd,
Ewell Rd, Tolworth Bway, Kingston Rd, High St Ewell, Epsom Rd, East
St, High St Epsom, Waterloo Rd, Station Appr)
2) to Leatherhead via Surbiton, Chessington, and Chessington WOA
(branching off (1), from Ewell Rd running on Ditton Rd, Hook Rd,
Leatherhead Rd, ROW parallel to Kingston Rd, alongside the railway,
Station Appr, Station Rd, North St, High St Leatherhead)
3) to Heathrow T4 via Hampton Court, Hampton, and Feltham (running on
Wood St, Clarence St, Kingston Bridge, Hampton Ct Rd, Church St, High
St Hampton, Uxbridge Rd, Hampton Rd W, Uxbridge Rd, Hanworth Rd,
Hounslow Rd, Bedfont La, Staines Rd, Gt SW Rd, then into the Airport)
4) to Weybridge via Hampton Court, East Molesey, and Walton-on-Thames
(branching off (3), from Hampton Ct Rd running on Hampton Ct Bridge,
Bridge Rd, Walton Rd, Terrace Rd, High St Walton, Ashley Rd, Queen's
Rd, Hanger Hill, Station Appr)

I love it. Trams past my front door again - took me back to trolleybuses
past the door in the house I grew up in. However, some of those routes are a
trifle optimistic. I don't quite see how you'd make some of the curves on
those routes (very short trams needed!) and some roads like Ewell High
Street would present a challenge - but you get my vote!

Thanks! I guess by optimistic, you're suggesting my American-style
Interurban to Leatherhead is a bit much!

As far as the route to Epsom goes, the section as far as where the
Ewell By-Pass branches off the Kingston Rd isn't a problem - the trams
could even have their own lanes down the middle of the A240 dual
carriageway (that REALLY would bring a smile to my face in rush hour)!
With Ewell High St, the really problematic section would be from the
Chessington Rd to the sharp right outside the Star (where that awful
mini-roundabout is). Ideally I'd like to make this bit trams and
pedestrians only (it would certainly make crossing the road a lot less
lethal), maybe with a bit of gauntletted/single track to deal with the
curves.

(James) wrote in message . com...

I love it. Trams past my front door again - took me back to trolleybuses
past the door in the house I grew up in. However, some of those routes are a
trifle optimistic. I don't quite see how you'd make some of the curves on
those routes (very short trams needed!) and some roads like Ewell High
Street would present a challenge - but you get my vote!

I'm a bit mystified by all these tram routes in that none of them seem
to go to Surbiton Station itself, 5 trains an hour to Waterloo, 15
minutes at the fastest, surely must be the focus of public transport
in the Kingston area?

The 65 tram (from Ealing) went down Claremont Road, turned right at
the station then left up Brighton Road/Hook Road terminating at the
North Star. Surely if a Chessington World of Adventure/M25 Park and
Ride route is being planned that is the natural route for
Kingson/Surbiton/Chessington?

Okay the left turn outside the YMCA is a pig but couldn't it wend via
St Mary's Road/Cottage Grove or some other detour? Victoria Road would
look nice pedestrianised.

(Matthew Church) wrote in message . com...
....Surbiton Station itself, 5 trains an hour to Waterloo...

....Make that 10 trains an hour.

I love it. Trams past my front door again - took me back to trolleybuses
past the door in the house I grew up in. However, some of those routes are a
trifle optimistic. I don't quite see how you'd make some of the curves on
those routes (very short trams needed!) and some roads like Ewell High
Street would present a challenge - but you get my vote!

I'm a bit mystified by all these tram routes in that none of them seem
to go to Surbiton Station itself, 5 trains an hour to Waterloo, 15
minutes at the fastest, surely must be the focus of public transport
in the Kingston area?

The 65 tram (from Ealing) went down Claremont Road, turned right at
the station then left up Brighton Road/Hook Road terminating at the
North Star. Surely if a Chessington World of Adventure/M25 Park and
Ride route is being planned that is the natural route for
Kingson/Surbiton/Chessington?

Okay the left turn outside the YMCA is a pig but couldn't it wend via
St Mary's Road/Cottage Grove or some other detour? Victoria Road would
look nice pedestrianised.

Actually, yes, that's a good idea (I've just noticed my Epsom route
would turn into a total 406 clone). Connections from Surbiton station
to London wouldn't be too important - Kingston, Tolworth, Chessington,
Ewell, and Epsom all have perfectly good trains to London of their
own. However, the fast line platforms there would make it very useful
for connections the other way (say to Portsmouth, Southampton etc).