In article ,
Tom Anderson writes
basically, a bus that looks
like a tram; what Clive calls Rapid Transit on Rubber Tyres),

Two notes:

(1) The term RToRT refers to a *trolleybus* that behaves like a tram.
(2) It's not my term originally - I picked it up at a TfL presentation.

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On Mon, 6 Sep 2004, Clive D. W. Feather wrote:

In article ,
Tom Anderson writes

basically, a bus that looks
like a tram; what Clive calls Rapid Transit on Rubber Tyres),

Two notes:

(1) The term RToRT refers to a *trolleybus* that behaves like a tram.
(2) It's not my term originally - I picked it up at a TfL presentation.

Apologies.

I shall coin the almost indistinguishable term RT-RT to refer to
super-buses, and then hope that someone in the relevant ministry gets them
confused with AT-ATs, and that all our congestion problems are thereby
solved.

tom

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In article ,
Tom Anderson wrote:

Apologies.

I shall coin the almost indistinguishable term RT-RT to refer to
super-buses,

Is that like two RTs with a hinge connecting them ?

and then hope that someone in the relevant ministry gets them
confused with AT-ATs, and that all our congestion problems are thereby
solved.

I didn't know AT-ATs had open rear platforms ;-)

Nick
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On Mon, 6 Sep 2004, Nick Leverton wrote:

In article ,
Tom Anderson wrote:

I shall coin the almost indistinguishable term RT-RT to refer to
super-buses, and then hope that someone in the relevant ministry gets
them confused with AT-ATs, and that all our congestion problems are
thereby solved.

I didn't know AT-ATs had open rear platforms ;-)



However, they do have quite spacious side doors, and, as indicated in this
TfL publicity shot, they have a unique new method of dropping off
passengers while on the move:

http://urchin.earth.li/~twic/lt-at-at.jpg

Initial tests of the Mercedes-Benz AT-AT G, however, have been less than
successful:

http://urchin.earth.li/~twic/lt-at-at-g.jpg

tom

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On Mon, 6 Sep 2004 18:35:01 +0100, Tom Anderson
wrote:

I shall coin the almost indistinguishable term RT-RT to refer to
super-buses, and then hope that someone in the relevant ministry gets them
confused with AT-ATs, and that all our congestion problems are thereby
solved.



I think the term used for such a bus system (certainly in the US) is
BRT, or Bus(-based) Rapid Transit.

Neil

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"Clive D. W. Feather" wrote in message ...
In article ,
Tom Anderson writes
basically, a bus that looks
like a tram; what Clive calls Rapid Transit on Rubber Tyres),

Two notes:

(1) The term RToRT refers to a *trolleybus* that behaves like a tram.
(2) It's not my term originally - I picked it up at a TfL presentation.

Seems to me like some of the people involved in transport planning need to
look up the definition of "rapid" in the dictionary. Trolleybuses may be
many things but rapid isn't one of them.

B2003

"Boltar" wrote in message
om...
Major snip

Seems to me like some of the people involved in transport planning need to
look up the definition of "rapid" in the dictionary. Trolleybuses may be
many things but rapid isn't one of them.

B2003

What are your experiences which back up that statement ? The old London
trolleybuses were very quick indeed with extremely rapid acceleration and if
outright speed had been a factor in their design I don't see why they
shouldn't have been fast too.
Baz

"Marratxi" wrote in message ...
"Boltar" wrote in message
om...
Major snip

Seems to me like some of the people involved in transport planning need to
look up the definition of "rapid" in the dictionary. Trolleybuses may be
many things but rapid isn't one of them.

B2003

What are your experiences which back up that statement ? The old London
trolleybuses were very quick indeed with extremely rapid acceleration and if
outright speed had been a factor in their design I don't see why they
shouldn't have been fast too.
Baz

I was thinking more about the fact that like ordinary buses they get stuck
in traffic. But talking about shear speed they may have good acceleration
but most of the the old ones topped out at about 40 or 50mph and would
probably have dewired before they got to that speed anyway.

B2003

"Stephen Richards" wrote in message
...

My point is that the biggest advantage to be had from
trams is that they will run on separated track from
the rest of the traffic, and so not
be held up by other traffic and hence more reliable.

Couldn't that be done by making a completely
separate bus lane, separated from other traffic
by kerbs? This would deliver the reliability and
speed benefits at a fraction of the cost, and allow
similar schemes to be rolled out to other parts of
London as well.

I would imagine that the cost of the rails is a small fraction of the
project cost, so your bus lanes would be nearly as expensive as the tram
line.

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I would imagine that the cost of the rails is a small fraction of the
project cost, so your bus lanes would be nearly as expensive as the tram
line.

The cost of the rails themselves might be quite low, but there's a major
cost in diverting all services (phone, gas, water, etc.) from out of the
line of route. A bus lane doesn't have this problem, because you just
divert the buses into traffic when you need to dig up the lane.

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