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West London Tram Proposal
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Tom Anderson writes basically, a bus that looks like a tram; what Clive calls Rapid Transit on Rubber Tyres), Two notes: (1) The term RToRT refers to a *trolleybus* that behaves like a tram. (2) It's not my term originally - I picked it up at a TfL presentation. -- Clive D.W. Feather | Home: Tel: +44 20 8495 6138 (work) | Web: http://www.davros.org Fax: +44 870 051 9937 | Work: Please reply to the Reply-To address, which is: |
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West London Tram Proposal
On Mon, 6 Sep 2004, Clive D. W. Feather wrote:
In article , Tom Anderson writes basically, a bus that looks like a tram; what Clive calls Rapid Transit on Rubber Tyres), Two notes: (1) The term RToRT refers to a *trolleybus* that behaves like a tram. (2) It's not my term originally - I picked it up at a TfL presentation. Apologies. I shall coin the almost indistinguishable term RT-RT to refer to super-buses, and then hope that someone in the relevant ministry gets them confused with AT-ATs, and that all our congestion problems are thereby solved. tom -- 3118110161 Pies |
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West London Tram Proposal
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Tom Anderson wrote: Apologies. I shall coin the almost indistinguishable term RT-RT to refer to super-buses, Is that like two RTs with a hinge connecting them ? and then hope that someone in the relevant ministry gets them confused with AT-ATs, and that all our congestion problems are thereby solved. I didn't know AT-ATs had open rear platforms ;-) Nick -- "And we will be restoring neurotypicality just as soon as we are sure what is normal anyway. Thank you". -- not quite DNA |
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On Mon, 6 Sep 2004, Nick Leverton wrote:
In article , Tom Anderson wrote: I shall coin the almost indistinguishable term RT-RT to refer to super-buses, and then hope that someone in the relevant ministry gets them confused with AT-ATs, and that all our congestion problems are thereby solved. I didn't know AT-ATs had open rear platforms ;-) However, they do have quite spacious side doors, and, as indicated in this TfL publicity shot, they have a unique new method of dropping off passengers while on the move: http://urchin.earth.li/~twic/lt-at-at.jpg Initial tests of the Mercedes-Benz AT-AT G, however, have been less than successful: http://urchin.earth.li/~twic/lt-at-at-g.jpg tom -- And he talked about the future, underneath a giant sphere |
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West London Tram Proposal
On Mon, 6 Sep 2004 18:35:01 +0100, Tom Anderson
wrote: I shall coin the almost indistinguishable term RT-RT to refer to super-buses, and then hope that someone in the relevant ministry gets them confused with AT-ATs, and that all our congestion problems are thereby solved. I think the term used for such a bus system (certainly in the US) is BRT, or Bus(-based) Rapid Transit. Neil -- Neil Williams in Milton Keynes, UK To e-mail use neil at the above domain |
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West London Tram Proposal
"Clive D. W. Feather" wrote in message ...
In article , Tom Anderson writes basically, a bus that looks like a tram; what Clive calls Rapid Transit on Rubber Tyres), Two notes: (1) The term RToRT refers to a *trolleybus* that behaves like a tram. (2) It's not my term originally - I picked it up at a TfL presentation. Seems to me like some of the people involved in transport planning need to look up the definition of "rapid" in the dictionary. Trolleybuses may be many things but rapid isn't one of them. B2003 |
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West London Tram Proposal
"Boltar" wrote in message om... Major snip Seems to me like some of the people involved in transport planning need to look up the definition of "rapid" in the dictionary. Trolleybuses may be many things but rapid isn't one of them. B2003 What are your experiences which back up that statement ? The old London trolleybuses were very quick indeed with extremely rapid acceleration and if outright speed had been a factor in their design I don't see why they shouldn't have been fast too. Baz |
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West London Tram Proposal
"Marratxi" wrote in message ...
"Boltar" wrote in message om... Major snip Seems to me like some of the people involved in transport planning need to look up the definition of "rapid" in the dictionary. Trolleybuses may be many things but rapid isn't one of them. B2003 What are your experiences which back up that statement ? The old London trolleybuses were very quick indeed with extremely rapid acceleration and if outright speed had been a factor in their design I don't see why they shouldn't have been fast too. Baz I was thinking more about the fact that like ordinary buses they get stuck in traffic. But talking about shear speed they may have good acceleration but most of the the old ones topped out at about 40 or 50mph and would probably have dewired before they got to that speed anyway. B2003 |
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West London Tram Proposal
"Stephen Richards" wrote in message
... My point is that the biggest advantage to be had from trams is that they will run on separated track from the rest of the traffic, and so not be held up by other traffic and hence more reliable. Couldn't that be done by making a completely separate bus lane, separated from other traffic by kerbs? This would deliver the reliability and speed benefits at a fraction of the cost, and allow similar schemes to be rolled out to other parts of London as well. I would imagine that the cost of the rails is a small fraction of the project cost, so your bus lanes would be nearly as expensive as the tram line. -- John Rowland - Spamtrapped Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001 http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood. That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line - It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes |
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West London Tram Proposal
In article , John Rowland
writes I would imagine that the cost of the rails is a small fraction of the project cost, so your bus lanes would be nearly as expensive as the tram line. The cost of the rails themselves might be quite low, but there's a major cost in diverting all services (phone, gas, water, etc.) from out of the line of route. A bus lane doesn't have this problem, because you just divert the buses into traffic when you need to dig up the lane. -- Clive D.W. Feather | Home: Tel: +44 20 8495 6138 (work) | Web: http://www.davros.org Fax: +44 870 051 9937 | Work: Please reply to the Reply-To address, which is: |
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