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GOBLIN connections was Stansted to Barking
Phil Richards wrote:
On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 17:02:16 +0100 Tom Anderson ObUTL: Looking again at this map: the GOBLin has really poor connections doesn't it! It's got a lot of 'near misses', though: Upper Holloway - Archway Crouch Hill - Finsbury Park Harringay Green Lanes - Harringay Also Manor House South Tottenham - Seven Sisters It's a disgrace that both the Goblin and the North London have so many non-interchanges after 50 years of nationalised railways. There's not much sign of Ken improving things either. Of course, if they had usable interchanges, they'd need frequent and longer trains to carry the passengers they'd divert from overloaded tube trains. Colin McKenzie |
GOBLIN connections was Stansted to Barking
Colin McKenzie wrote:
Phil Richards wrote: On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 17:02:16 +0100 Tom Anderson ObUTL: Looking again at this map: the GOBLin has really poor connections doesn't it! It's got a lot of 'near misses', though: Upper Holloway - Archway Crouch Hill - Finsbury Park Harringay Green Lanes - Harringay Also Manor House South Tottenham - Seven Sisters It's a disgrace that both the Goblin and the North London have so many non-interchanges after 50 years of nationalised railways. There's not much sign of Ken improving things either. Of course, if they had usable interchanges, they'd need frequent and longer trains to carry the passengers they'd divert from overloaded tube trains. Colin McKenzie The problem with this is that the Goblin is earmarked as a freight route rather than a passenger one, and in order to increase passenger service frequency on the North London Line, the Goblin will have to take more freight - condemning it to an ever-poor passenger service. -- Dave Arquati Imperial College, SW7 www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London |
Stansted to Barking
Alan (in Brussels) wrote to uk.transport.london on Fri, 24 Sep 2004:
IOW, you may well prefer what seems like a longer overall journey if you can be sure that typical train lateness has little impact on its overall duration. And maybe one day we'll have terminals on platforms that allow us to check real-time running en-route ;-) But why faff about when there are trains every 15 minutes from Stansted to Liverpool Street, and then Tube trains every few minutes on the Hammersmith & City Line to Barking? I can't think why you'd want to go to Fenchurch Street in the first place? -- "Mrs Redboots" http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/ Website updated 11 September 2004 |
GOBLIN connections was Stansted to Barking
On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 13:43:49 +0100 Colin McKenzie
said... It's a disgrace that both the Goblin and the North London have so many non-interchanges after 50 years of nationalised railways. There's not much sign of Ken improving things either. When it comes to interchanges (other than buses) then, no as that would require huge reconstruction projects, re-routing lines etc. However I think you'll find with "London Rail" rail services within the TfL area will be going through some changes over the next few years. Certainly TfL will have more say over service provision and (at long last) hopefully are fares structure based on that of the tube - i.e. zone to zone rather than point to point. -- Phil Richards London, UK Home page: http://www.philrichards1.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk |
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On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 13:26:35 +0100 Clive D. W. Feather clive@on-the-
train.demon.co.uk said... 8? It's under a minute from the platforms the Stansted Express uses to the Eastbound H&C. Even worst case (Westbound H&C to platform 18) is only 2 or 3 minutes. No doubt the 8 minutes interchange is that built in to the journey planner. May be for someone who has no luggage and is physically fit may easily cope with the connection in a couple of minutes, other situations may be different. -- Phil Richards London, UK Home page: http://www.philrichards1.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk |
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Phil Richards wrote:
On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 13:26:35 +0100 Clive D. W. Feather clive@on-the- train.demon.co.uk said... 8? It's under a minute from the platforms the Stansted Express uses to the Eastbound H&C. Even worst case (Westbound H&C to platform 18) is only 2 or 3 minutes. No doubt the 8 minutes interchange is that built in to the journey planner. May be for someone who has no luggage and is physically fit may easily cope with the connection in a couple of minutes, other situations may be different. The Journey Planner defaults to "Average" walking speed, which is quite slow. I usually (if I remember) change it to "Fast", which used to be about 3 mph. However the new version of the TfL JP has changed my normal 10-minute walk to my local tube station to 16 minutes, so I'm not sure what they're up to. I've just tried to see what they use for Liverpool Street transfer times, but they seem to have stopped quoting transfer times, which further damages my confidence in the JP. (It seems to be giving ever more bizarre results. For a journey yesterday, it asked me to get off a bus in mid-journey and wait for the one behind on the same route with the same destination! It also warned me about Hammersmith & City Line delays on my *bus* route.) -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
GOBLIN connections was Stansted to Barking
Colin McKenzie wrote:
Phil Richards wrote: On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 17:02:16 +0100 Tom Anderson ObUTL: Looking again at this map: the GOBLin has really poor connections doesn't it! It's got a lot of 'near misses', though: Upper Holloway - Archway Crouch Hill - Finsbury Park Over 1km away! Harringay Green Lanes - Harringay Those stations aren't close, but the line is. The GOBLIN should really serve both. Also Manor House That's more a case of poor Tube design - 'tis the Piccadilly Line which fails to have a station in the right place. South Tottenham - Seven Sisters It's a disgrace that both the Goblin and the North London have so many non-interchanges after 50 years of nationalised railways. There's not much sign of Ken improving things either. Of course, if they had usable interchanges, they'd need frequent and longer trains to carry the passengers they'd divert from overloaded tube trains. No, just frequent trains - or frequent trams! |
GOBLIN connections was Stansted to Barking
On Sun, 26 Sep 2004, Phil Richards wrote:
On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 13:43:49 +0100 Colin McKenzie said... It's a disgrace that both the Goblin and the North London have so many non-interchanges after 50 years of nationalised railways. There's not much sign of Ken improving things either. When it comes to interchanges (other than buses) then, no as that would require huge reconstruction projects, re-routing lines etc. Not necessarily - there are a number of places where lines cross where interchange stations could be built (or even where extra platforms could be added to an existing station), without needing to move any lines. Granted, this can still be quite expensive, but it's hardly 'huge reconstruction'. tom -- VENN DIAGRAM THAT LOOK LIKE TWO BIG CIRCLES EQUAL BAD PUBLIC POLICY. |
GOBLIN connections was Stansted to Barking
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GOBLIN connections was Stansted to Barking
On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 00:33:18 +0930 Aidan Stanger
said... Also Manor House That's more a case of poor Tube design - 'tis the Piccadilly Line which fails to have a station in the right place. Some while back I raised a similar point about why there is such a big station-less gap on the Piccadilly Line between Manor House and Turnpike Lane. The answer given was that stations were located near to tram interchanges when the line got built. Ideally a station in the vicinity of the junction of Green Lanes & St Ann's Road would be best IMO. -- Phil Richards London N4, UK Home page: http://www.philrichards1.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk |
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