umpston wrote:
"Dr. Sunil" wrote in message
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Tom Anderson wrote in message

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On Tue, 12 Oct 2004, simon wrote:


with the almost certain expansion of Stansted airport, in the long

term,

returning the Epping-Ongar route might make sense.

Hang on, just how much are they planning to extend Stansted? I make it
about 20 km from the airport to Ongar ...

tom

[Madcap Plan alert!]

How about *somehow* building a 'South Essex Railway' from Harlow,
south to Epping, utilise the old Ongar route and continue eastwards to
Brentwood and Shenfield, thus enabling a Cambridge/Stansted to
Southend service to be run?

[ducks for cover]

Sunil


The 2002 'London - Ipswich Multi-Modal Study' (LOIS) for the Department for
Transport identified a new Stratford-Chelmsford route as a possible future
rail development. This might take over the Stratford-Epping part of the
central line and the disused bit to Ongar. There could also be a new line
from Epping to Stanstead via Harlow.
(snip)

One plan for Crossrail 2 was to send it to Epping, taking over the
Central Line from Leytonstone to Epping via Woodford. Given the
will-power, a new alignment could be found from Epping to Harlow (either
a longer route to the west of Harlow which could serve southwest Harlow
as well as the existing stations to the north, or a more direct route
along the M11 route) with trains continuing to Stansted. Probably more
expensive than just running Crossrail 2 trains directly up the WA line
from Hackney or Stratford though!

A second branch from Epping via Ongar could continue to Chelmsford -
allowing journeys from there to Stansted with a change at Epping (or put
in a new junction near Coopersale Common and you have a direct route).

I think it would be way too expensive though.

--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

Dave Arquati wrote in message ...
The 2002 'London - Ipswich Multi-Modal Study' (LOIS) for the Department for
Transport identified a new Stratford-Chelmsford route as a possible future
rail development. This might take over the Stratford-Epping part of the
central line and the disused bit to Ongar. There could also be a new line
from Epping to Stanstead via Harlow.
(snip)

One plan for Crossrail 2 was to send it to Epping, taking over the
Central Line from Leytonstone to Epping via Woodford. Given the
will-power, a new alignment could be found from Epping to Harlow (either
a longer route to the west of Harlow which could serve southwest Harlow
as well as the existing stations to the north, or a more direct route
along the M11 route) with trains continuing to Stansted. Probably more
expensive than just running Crossrail 2 trains directly up the WA line
from Hackney or Stratford though!

Has anyone thought this through? Why would a passenger from Stansted if
given the choice of a direct stansted express or a train that stops at 20
odd stations going via epping, choose the latter to get to london? Unless
they add 2 new tracks they won't be able to run an express service so it'll
just be a pottering commuter train and moreover it'll mean that people who
live on the eastern part of the central line won't be able to get a tube to
london without changing. So it would probably **** off a lot more people than
it would please.

B2003

In article , Boltar wrote:
Dave Arquati wrote in message ...
One plan for Crossrail 2 was to send it to Epping
[...]
with trains continuing to Stansted.

Has anyone thought this through? Why would a passenger from Stansted if
given the choice of a direct stansted express or a train that stops at 20
odd stations going via epping, choose the latter to get to london?

To avoid the exorbitant SEx[0] fares? I usually prefer the Picc from LHR
and Southern from LGW for similar reasons.

Niklas

[0] couldn't resist
--
"I want to live in Theory. Everything works in Theory."
-- Robert Sneddon

Boltar wrote:
Dave Arquati wrote in message ...

The 2002 'London - Ipswich Multi-Modal Study' (LOIS) for the Department for
Transport identified a new Stratford-Chelmsford route as a possible future
rail development. This might take over the Stratford-Epping part of the
central line and the disused bit to Ongar. There could also be a new line
from Epping to Stanstead via Harlow.

(snip)

One plan for Crossrail 2 was to send it to Epping, taking over the
Central Line from Leytonstone to Epping via Woodford. Given the
will-power, a new alignment could be found from Epping to Harlow (either
a longer route to the west of Harlow which could serve southwest Harlow
as well as the existing stations to the north, or a more direct route
along the M11 route) with trains continuing to Stansted. Probably more
expensive than just running Crossrail 2 trains directly up the WA line
from Hackney or Stratford though!


Has anyone thought this through? Why would a passenger from Stansted if
given the choice of a direct stansted express or a train that stops at 20
odd stations going via epping, choose the latter to get to london? Unless
they add 2 new tracks they won't be able to run an express service so it'll
just be a pottering commuter train and moreover it'll mean that people who
live on the eastern part of the central line won't be able to get a tube to
london without changing. So it would probably **** off a lot more people than
it would please.

B2003

It's more to get communities along the M11 corridor linked up better
given the government's desire to create lots of new housing and
employment along that corridor, rather than create a new route from
Stansted to London. If people want to use CR2 all the way because it's
cheaper, then that's up to them. Also don't forget that although there
will be many stops further out, there will be fewer further in. I
believe the CR2 plan from King's Cross is to tunnel to Dalston, then
stop at NLL stations to Stratford and then up the Central line. Dalston
to Tottenham Court Road or Victoria would have a very fast journey time.

--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London