In article , (Dave Arquati)
wrote:

Angus Bryant wrote:

Is there still a plan to open a station at Brixton? This would be a
really useful interchange for any SLL/orbital service.

Currently depends on funding; a station at Brixton would be on the
brick viaduct and would cost around £70m. ELLX Phase 2 would probably
go ahead without it, to make sure the cost of the station at Brixton
didn't jeopardise the rest of the project.

£70M? Sheesh! Railway costs have gone mad.

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Colin Rosenstiel

Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
(Dave Arquati) wrote:
Angus Bryant wrote:

Is there still a plan to open a station at Brixton? This would be a
really useful interchange for any SLL/orbital service.

Currently depends on funding; a station at Brixton would be on the
brick viaduct and would cost around £70m. ELLX Phase 2 would probably
go ahead without it, to make sure the cost of the station at Brixton
didn't jeopardise the rest of the project.

£70M? Sheesh! Railway costs have gone mad.

You're right - that's over 90% of the cost of the entire original
section of the DLR (including the trains). Even allowing for the longer
platforms and inflation, it still seems to be an order of magnitude out.

Most boiling frogs are caused at least partly by the private sector not
being able to efficiently do what BR could. Can it really be that the
private sector can't even efficiently do what they themselves were once
able to? Or is it a case of gross overspeccing? Answering this question
should bring the solution a lot closer.

In article ,
(Aidan Stanger) wrote:

Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
(Dave Arquati) wrote:
Angus Bryant wrote:

Is there still a plan to open a station at Brixton? This would
be a really useful interchange for any SLL/orbital service.

Currently depends on funding; a station at Brixton would be on the
brick viaduct and would cost around £70m. ELLX Phase 2 would
probably go ahead without it, to make sure the cost of the station
at Brixton didn't jeopardise the rest of the project.

£70M? Sheesh! Railway costs have gone mad.

You're right - that's over 90% of the cost of the entire original
section of the DLR (including the trains). Even allowing for the longer
platforms and inflation, it still seems to be an order of magnitude out.

Most boiling frogs are caused at least partly by the private sector not
being able to efficiently do what BR could. Can it really be that the
private sector can't even efficiently do what they themselves were once
able to? Or is it a case of gross overspeccing? Answering this question
should bring the solution a lot closer.

There is certainly some overspeccing but even that doesn't explain how a
station on an existing line can cost £70million.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

(Aidan Stanger) wrote in message ...
Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
(Dave Arquati) wrote:
Angus Bryant wrote:

Is there still a plan to open a station at Brixton? This would be a
really useful interchange for any SLL/orbital service.

Currently depends on funding; a station at Brixton would be on the
brick viaduct and would cost around £70m. ELLX Phase 2 would probably
go ahead without it, to make sure the cost of the station at Brixton
didn't jeopardise the rest of the project.

£70M? Sheesh! Railway costs have gone mad.

You're right - that's over 90% of the cost of the entire original
section of the DLR (including the trains). Even allowing for the longer
platforms and inflation, it still seems to be an order of magnitude out.

Most boiling frogs are caused at least partly by the private sector not
being able to efficiently do what BR could. Can it really be that the
private sector can't even efficiently do what they themselves were once
able to? Or is it a case of gross overspeccing? Answering this question
should bring the solution a lot closer.

I posed this same question about the Croxley Watford link. I put it
down to the fact that the Government is now throwing money at public
transport and every body and his dog is after some of the action. If
the contractors know that there is shed loads of money to be thrown at
something then there doesn't seem to be much of a competive drive.
The dome seems to be a classic example.
Kevin

On Wed, 24 Nov 2004, Aidan Stanger wrote:

Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
(Dave Arquati) wrote:
Angus Bryant wrote:

Is there still a plan to open a station at Brixton? This would be a
really useful interchange for any SLL/orbital service.

Currently depends on funding; a station at Brixton would be on the
brick viaduct and would cost around £70m. ELLX Phase 2 would probably
go ahead without it, to make sure the cost of the station at Brixton
didn't jeopardise the rest of the project.

£70M? Sheesh! Railway costs have gone mad.

You're right - that's over 90% of the cost of the entire original
section of the DLR (including the trains). Even allowing for the longer
platforms and inflation, it still seems to be an order of magnitude out.

Most boiling frogs are caused at least partly by the private sector not
being able to efficiently do what BR could. Can it really be that the
private sector can't even efficiently do what they themselves were once
able to? Or is it a case of gross overspeccing? Answering this question
should bring the solution a lot closer.

How much of it is just inflation?

tom

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Understand the world we're living in

On Wed, 24 Nov 2004, Tom Anderson wrote:

How much of it is just inflation?

If you mean in the technical sense, then you could try
http://www.eh.net/hmit/ukcompare/
or some of the other calculators on the same site.

Mind you, (to take random examples) the question of what a
diesel-electric unit would have cost in the year 1830 isn't really
very meaningful, nor culd we make much sense of the question what York
Minster would cost to build from scratch today. So straight
comparisons are far from obvious.

On the other hand, today's contracts seem to be inflated also by a
whole string of "hangers-on" who wouldn't have featured in earlier
schemes. IMHO and YMMV, natch.