In the new trains planned for the Victoria Line, will they be
articulated, similar to the DLR (or another kind, similar to line 1 of
the Paris metro), or will they be the "Conventional" type used on all
tube trains currently?
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In the new trains planned for the Victoria Line, will they be
articulated, similar to the DLR (or another kind, similar to line 1 of
the Paris metro), or will they be the "Conventional" type used on all
tube trains currently?
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If you mean what the Germans call a "Durchgangszug", walk-through train,
then no, they will not be articulated. The new trains for the sub-surface
lines will be though, I think.

Metronet have a good web site with pictures!

http://www.metronetrail.com/

xx j

Joe wrote:
In the new trains planned for the Victoria Line, will they be
articulated, similar to the DLR (or another kind, similar to line 1
of the Paris metro), or will they be the "Conventional" type used
on all tube trains currently?

The MP89 stoock on Line 1 of the Paris Metro is not articulated. It
uses conventional bogies, but it does have near-full-width inter-car
connections. The same will also be true of Bombardier's MF2000 stock for
Paris.

I think I read somewhere that the new LU sub-surface stock will be the
first on LU with full-width gangways, which suggests that the earlier
Victoria Line cars will have conventional car ends. To use articulated
stock in the tunnels, you would need to have shorter cars, hence more of
them, which negates the cost saving from having fewer bogies per car.
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On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 18:19:22 GMT, "Jim"
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If you mean what the Germans call a "Durchgangszug", walk-through train,
then no, they will not be articulated. The new trains for the sub-surface
lines will be though, I think.

Interesting that that term has been re-used. The term "Durchgangszug"
used to refer to the presence of any kind of corridor (i.e. not
full-width compartments with separate doors). It's where, I recently
discovered, the term "D-Zug" originated - it stands for
"Durchgangs-Schnellzug", i.e. "corridored express train", as opposed
to the older "Eilzug" (literally "rushing train") which generally
wouldn't have been so formed.

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On Tue, 21 Dec 2004, Jim wrote:

Metronet have a good web site with pictures!

http://www.metronetrail.com/

According to one of which's pages:

http://www.metronetrail.com/default....=1080661114828

Metronet is responsible for 4800 bridges. That seems a lot.

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"Richard J." wrote in message
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Joe wrote:
In the new trains planned for the Victoria Line, will they be
articulated, similar to the DLR (or another kind, similar to line 1
of the Paris metro), or will they be the "Conventional" type used
on all tube trains currently?

The MP89 stoock on Line 1 of the Paris Metro is not articulated. It
uses conventional bogies, but it does have near-full-width inter-car
connections. The same will also be true of Bombardier's MF2000 stock
for Paris.

I think I read somewhere that the new LU sub-surface stock will be the
first on LU with full-width gangways, which suggests that the earlier
Victoria Line cars will have conventional car ends. To use
articulated stock in the tunnels, you would need to have shorter
cars, hence more of them, which negates the cost saving from having
fewer bogies per car.

I don't think any of the new LU stock is to be articulated. The Vic
stock pics suggest nothing radical, despite all the 'space train' plans
of a few years ago.

The sub-surface lines were constructed using the "cut and cover"
method, usually following existing roads or the Thames Embankment.
Therefore most parts of the 'roof' directly support the road above (or
buildings) and therefore might be considered to be 'bridges' or
'structures' rather than 'tunnels'.

On 22 Dec 2004 wrote:

The sub-surface lines were constructed using the "cut and cover" method,
usually following existing roads or the Thames Embankment. Therefore
most parts of the 'roof' directly support the road above (or buildings)
and therefore might be considered to be 'bridges' or 'structures' rather
than 'tunnels'.

Interesting point! I'd assumed it was just a surplus zero.

tom

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Tom Anderson wrote:
On Tue, 21 Dec 2004, Jim wrote:

Metronet have a good web site with pictures!

http://www.metronetrail.com/

According to one of which's pages:

http://www.metronetrail.com/default....=1080661114828

Metronet is responsible for 4800 bridges. That seems a lot.

Their Annual Report for 2004 says on its cover that they have 806
bridges.
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