"Aidan Stanger" wrote in message
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Chris Tolley wrote:

On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:15:31 +1030, Aidan Stanger wrote:

Do you seriously think there would be the demand?

My comments were primarily about the possibilities of different places
to turn trains. However, since you ask, there was a time when the
service from Birmingham New Street to Redditch consisted of about four
trains a day, and they were pretty thinly used. Then someone had a bit
of vision and started to offer a better service that was better
marketed, with a couple of new stations. Now there are 4tph shifting
thousands of people per day.

Yes, but that goes to the center of Birmingham! The GOBLIN tends to
avoid most commercial areas. It would be perfect as the basis for a
tramway, with on street branches to much of N London, but as a through
route with existing branches, just about any route into London
(including the District Line) would be more popular.

There were people who dismissed the idea of running the Greenford Car to
Padd, untill patronage increased.

On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 19:04:49 +1030, Aidan Stanger wrote:
Chris Tolley wrote:
Central? Paddington?
Yes, it's in Zone 1 therefore it's central.

Even Fenchurch Street is closer to Charing Cross than Paddington...
As is Marylebone. That's the thing about Central London termini: they're
ALL central!

In my mind it's "central" if it's within sensible walking distance of
something useful. I used to work in Traf Sq., and used to shop in
Tottenham Ct Rd. So, for me, neither Padd nor Fen St qualify. ;-)
--
My most recent pictu
http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p11858315.html
(170 504 passing Slindon at speed on 31 Jan 2005)

Aidan Stanger wrote:
The GOBLIN has a far greater potential as a light rail route.

IIRC, isn't the GOBLIN used by many freight trains?
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Michael Hoffman

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Michael Hoffman wrote:
Aidan Stanger wrote:
The GOBLIN has a far greater potential as a light rail route.

IIRC, isn't the GOBLIN used by many freight trains?

Yes. This is likely to increase as freight is shifted off the NLL
to make room for the improved passenger services (apparently).


--
Mike Bristow - really a very good driver

Aidan Stanger wrote:
Chris Tolley wrote:


On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 01:07:08 +0000, Tom Anderson wrote:


Paddington, or anywhere similarly central

Central? Paddington?


Yes, it's in Zone 1 therefore it's central.

Don't have that argument with Tom, he won't like it :-)

--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

Tom Anderson wrote:

How about making the branch part of the Central Line? You'd need
about a mile of four-tracking to get to the junction from Ealing
Broadway; would that be at all feasible?

Nope. You'd have to knock down most of Ealing Broadway to get enough
space in the GWML corridor, much less the need to rebuild the entire
station to accomodate the extra tracks.

A tunnel would be a possibility, but you'd probably end up missing out
Ealing Broadway itself unless you built tunneled platforms.

IOW, _expensive_....

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Tom Anderson wrote:

How about making the branch part of the Central Line? You'd need
about a mile of four-tracking to get to the junction from Ealing
Broadway; would that be at all feasible?

Nope. You'd have to knock down most of Ealing Broadway to get enough
space in the GWML corridor, much less the need to rebuild the entire
station to accomodate the extra tracks.

A tunnel would be a possibility, but you'd probably end up missing out
Ealing Broadway itself unless you built tunneled platforms.

IOW, _expensive_....


What wrong with running the Central over the Relief roads?

Brimstone wrote:
What wrong with running the Central over the Relief roads?

- Incompatible ATP
- Signal shielding
- Dual electrification
- Platform heights
- Loading gauge
- 1992TS maximum speeds

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Brimstone wrote:
What wrong with running the Central over the Relief roads?

- Incompatible ATP
- Signal shielding
- Dual electrification
- Platform heights
- Loading gauge
- 1992TS maximum speeds

All of which can be overcome, especially the loading gauge question. I don't
see tube stock clouting any of the bridges. between Ealing Bdy and West
Ealing. WRT to speeds, 92 stock accelerates quicker than anything on the
mainline and it's only travelling about three-quaters of a mile anyway.

Brimstone wrote:
All of which can be overcome, especially the loading gauge question.
I don't see tube stock clouting any of the bridges. between Ealing
Bdy and West Ealing. WRT to speeds, 92 stock accelerates quicker
than anything on the mainline and it's only travelling about three-
quaters of a mile anyway.

It's not a matter of the tube trains hitting lineside structures, it's
a matter of what you're going to use to get a defective 1992TS off of
the line when it can't move itself...