What about this for an idea- combine the Greenford branch and Barking
to Gospel Oak into a single service via Ealing Broadway and Willesden
Junction. This would provide an interchange between the North London
Line and the west via Ealing Broadway. If paths in the Willesden
Junction area are a problem then some of the Stratford trains could
run to Willesden Junction low level via Queens Park.

--
Paul

On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:03:02 +0000, PaulBowery wrote:

What about this for an idea- combine the Greenford branch and Barking
to Gospel Oak into a single service via Ealing Broadway and Willesden
Junction. This would provide an interchange between the North London
Line and the west via Ealing Broadway. If paths in the Willesden
Junction area are a problem then some of the Stratford trains could
run to Willesden Junction low level via Queens Park.

And not just Greenford. Depending on service frequencies, other
potential Western termini might include any of the other Thames
branches.

--
http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p9781404.html
(The (old) train in the Drain - S57S at Bank in 1995)

Chris Tolley wrote:

On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:03:02 +0000, PaulBowery wrote:

What about this for an idea- combine the Greenford branch and Barking
to Gospel Oak into a single service via Ealing Broadway and Willesden
Junction. This would provide an interchange between the North London
Line and the west via Ealing Broadway. If paths in the Willesden
Junction area are a problem then some of the Stratford trains could
run to Willesden Junction low level via Queens Park.

The GOBLIN has a far greater potential as a light rail route.

And not just Greenford. Depending on service frequencies, other
potential Western termini might include any of the other Thames
branches.

Do you seriously think there would be the demand?

On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:15:31 +1030, Aidan Stanger wrote:

Do you seriously think there would be the demand?

My comments were primarily about the possibilities of different places
to turn trains. However, since you ask, there was a time when the
service from Birmingham New Street to Redditch consisted of about four
trains a day, and they were pretty thinly used. Then someone had a bit
of vision and started to offer a better service that was better
marketed, with a couple of new stations. Now there are 4tph shifting
thousands of people per day.

--
http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p9781420.html
(Cl. 504 77165/65444 on its final BR weekend at Manchester Vic in 1991)

Chris Tolley wrote:

On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:15:31 +1030, Aidan Stanger wrote:

Do you seriously think there would be the demand?

My comments were primarily about the possibilities of different places
to turn trains. However, since you ask, there was a time when the
service from Birmingham New Street to Redditch consisted of about four
trains a day, and they were pretty thinly used. Then someone had a bit
of vision and started to offer a better service that was better
marketed, with a couple of new stations. Now there are 4tph shifting
thousands of people per day.

Yes, but that goes to the center of Birmingham! The GOBLIN tends to
avoid most commercial areas. It would be perfect as the basis for a
tramway, with on street branches to much of N London, but as a through
route with existing branches, just about any route into London
(including the District Line) would be more popular.

"Aidan Stanger" wrote in message
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Chris Tolley wrote:

On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:15:31 +1030, Aidan Stanger wrote:

Do you seriously think there would be the demand?

My comments were primarily about the possibilities of different places
to turn trains. However, since you ask, there was a time when the
service from Birmingham New Street to Redditch consisted of about four
trains a day, and they were pretty thinly used. Then someone had a bit
of vision and started to offer a better service that was better
marketed, with a couple of new stations. Now there are 4tph shifting
thousands of people per day.

Yes, but that goes to the center of Birmingham! The GOBLIN tends to
avoid most commercial areas. It would be perfect as the basis for a
tramway, with on street branches to much of N London, but as a through
route with existing branches, just about any route into London
(including the District Line) would be more popular.

There were people who dismissed the idea of running the Greenford Car to
Padd, untill patronage increased.

Aidan Stanger wrote:
The GOBLIN has a far greater potential as a light rail route.

IIRC, isn't the GOBLIN used by many freight trains?
--
Michael Hoffman

In article ,
Michael Hoffman wrote:
Aidan Stanger wrote:
The GOBLIN has a far greater potential as a light rail route.

IIRC, isn't the GOBLIN used by many freight trains?

Yes. This is likely to increase as freight is shifted off the NLL
to make room for the improved passenger services (apparently).


--
Mike Bristow - really a very good driver

"PaulBowery" wrote in message
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What about this for an idea- combine the Greenford
branch and Barking to Gospel Oak into a single service
via Ealing Broadway and Willesden Junction. This would
provide an interchange between the North London Line
and the west via Ealing Broadway. If paths in the Willesden
Junction area are a problem then some of the Stratford trains
could run to Willesden Junction low level via Queens Park.

This would remove the last few passengers from the Greenford branch.

--
John Rowland - Spamtrapped
Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html
A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood.
That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes

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John Rowland typed:

"PaulBowery" wrote in message
...

What about this for an idea- combine the Greenford
branch and Barking to Gospel Oak into a single service
via Ealing Broadway and Willesden Junction. This would
provide an interchange between the North London Line
and the west via Ealing Broadway. If paths in the Willesden
Junction area are a problem then some of the Stratford trains
could run to Willesden Junction low level via Queens Park.

This would remove the last few passengers from the Greenford branch.

I think you need to explain why you think that extending the service from
Greenford beyond Ealing Broadway will result in passengers not using the
Greenford Branch.


Bob