Hi all,

I always thought that the reason for banned left turns was to allow
pedestrians to cross a junction which is too busy to have a dedicated
pedestrian phase. However, the left turn from Slough Lane to Kingsbury Road
is banned, and during the phase when traffic is allowed to leave Slough
Lane, traffic is allowed to turn right from Roe Green into Kingsbury Road,
so pedestrians could not safely cross Kingsbury Road anyway. So why is the
left turn banned, particularly when the ban forces traffic down Old Kenton
Lane past a primary school? There is nothing particularly unusual about the
geometry of the junction which would make the left turn dangerous or
difficult.

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"John Rowland" typed


Hi all,

I always thought that the reason for banned left turns was to allow
pedestrians to cross a junction which is too busy to have a dedicated
pedestrian phase. However, the left turn from Slough Lane to Kingsbury Road
is banned, and during the phase when traffic is allowed to leave Slough
Lane, traffic is allowed to turn right from Roe Green into Kingsbury Road,
so pedestrians could not safely cross Kingsbury Road anyway. So why is the
left turn banned, particularly when the ban forces traffic down Old Kenton
Lane past a primary school? There is nothing particularly unusual about the
geometry of the junction which would make the left turn dangerous or
difficult.

a guess

The cycle route down Kingbury Road?

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Helen Deborah Vecht wrote:
a guess
The cycle route down Kingbury Road?

But cyclists will ignore bans on left turns anyway, just like they
ignore all the other rules of the road.

Mark

On 30 Mar 2005 wrote:

Helen Deborah Vecht wrote:
a guess
The cycle route down Kingbury Road?

But cyclists will ignore bans on left turns anyway, just like they
ignore all the other rules of the road.

And this one is now minded to ignore the laws against hunting down
simpletons and stabbing them in the face.

tom

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In message ,
Tom Anderson writes
But cyclists will ignore bans on left turns anyway, just like they
ignore all the other rules of the road.

And this one is now minded to ignore the laws against hunting down
simpletons and stabbing them in the face.
I wonder why I picture you on a bike, breaking the law like all the
rest?
--
Clive.

Clive Coleman typed


In message ,
Tom Anderson writes
But cyclists will ignore bans on left turns anyway, just like they
ignore all the other rules of the road.

And this one is now minded to ignore the laws against hunting down
simpletons and stabbing them in the face.
I wonder why I picture you on a bike, breaking the law like all the
rest?

Kingsbury is a _horrible_ place to cycle. Not all cyclists break the
law, whatever the trolls here post. Kingsbury's horrid for pedestrians
too, not helped by those pavement-parked cars, placed there by saintly
motorists.

Returning to the original question, I wonder whether poor pedestrian
sightlines on the south-west side of the intersection are what prompted
the ban. (To see left-turning traffic at this point, a walker would
almost need eyes at the back of his head.)

Maybe the Willow Tree Family Doctors don't wish to spectate too much
carnage on their corner.

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"Helen Deborah Vecht" wrote in message
...
Returning to the original question, I wonder whether poor pedestrian
sightlines on the south-west side of the intersection are what prompted
the ban. (To see left-turning traffic at this point, a walker would
almost need eyes at the back of his head.)

Maybe the Willow Tree Family Doctors don't wish to spectate too much
carnage on their corner.

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Helen D. Vecht:
Edgware.

When I'm in pedestrian mode, I find I can use ears to locate sound sources,
but more importantly my head is capable of swivelling around as are my
eyeballs. I find this helps tremendously in navigating pedestrian/motorist
interfaces. If I had a problem with this I would probably get a ****ing
Labrabor with a dayglo coat.

"Helen Deborah Vecht" wrote in message
...

Returning to the original question, I wonder whether
poor pedestrian sightlines on the south-west side
of the intersection are what prompted the ban.
(To see left-turning traffic at this point, a walker
would almost need eyes at the back of his head.)

Finally got around to checking this junction, and yes, I think you have hit
the nail on the head. Thanks.

--
John Rowland - Spamtrapped
Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html
A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood.
That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes

(To see left-turning traffic at this point, a walker
would almost need eyes at the back of his head.)

Or he could turn and look behind himself.

"SimonJ" typed


(To see left-turning traffic at this point, a walker
would almost need eyes at the back of his head.)

Or he could turn and look behind himself.


Except that the houses get in the way.

I was at that junction today, on foot. There are pedestrian lights
across Kingsbury Road on the east side of the junction. On the west,
there are no pedestrian lights and I couldn't see any of the traffic
lights as they are shielded. It was fairly difficult to cross safely,
and would have been worse if there'd been unexpected turning traffic.

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Edgware.