On 21 Apr 2005, TheOneKEA wrote:

Neil Williams wrote:

Quite. I for one believe that HEx - or at the very least the stopping
service - should be subsidised and included in the Travelcard system,
just like, for example, express services to Manchester Airport are
within the GMPTE/National Rail fares structure.

It will be - services between Paddington and H&H on Heathrow Connect
will be fully valid using Travelcards. It is only the service between
H&H and Heathrow that will have a premium fare.

I think the point was that the trip to Heathrow should be included in the
travelcard system.

I mostly agree with Neil - i'm happy for HX to be a premium service, all
suburban trains should come under the travelcard system, whether they
happen to go to Heathrow or not.

tom

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In message , at 07:27:02 on Thu, 21
Apr 2005, Neil Williams remarked:
I for one believe that HEx - or at the very least the stopping
service - should be subsidised and included in the Travelcard system,
just like, for example, express services to Manchester Airport are
within the GMPTE/National Rail fares structure.

Why not mention it to the Government, and ask if they'll buy out BBA
then (in effect nationalising HEx)?
--
Roland Perry

On Thu, 21 Apr 2005, Peter Masson wrote:

"Alan J. Flavell" wrote

What about using a travelcard to travel to H&H, and then taking
the bus to Heathrow, and vice versa? Will they try to prevent
that - will they even abolish the bus?

I am sure the bus will stay - it's not just a shuttle from H&H to
Heathrow.

OK...

If you use a travelcard to get to H&H it covers the bus fare as well.

That was my point, yes ;-)

But until now I never *did* actually try the bus option to connect
with existing trains. Just seemed an interesting variation to keep in
hand to try one day. Availability of a fast(er) train at H&H might
just swing it.

That being said, the HEx or H Connect fare might be worth paying if
you've got a plane to catch. ;-)

Yeah, true; in the other direction, the issue is catching one's
meeting...

It's been my experience that meetings in London start in a very
staggered sort of way, with folks rolling in at various times
muttering "PT problems", and everyone nods in sympathy. It's high
time that I did the same, instead of breezing in on the yawn-o-clock
flight from Glasgow, and getting to the venue before the coffee is
even ready. (And then falling asleep mid-afternoon...)

But yes, I'd be reluctant to miss my flight back.

Sorry (ObRailway), I'd *like* to promote the sleeper. but somehow I
never could get used to sleepers.

"Tony Polson" wrote in message
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"londoncityslicker" wrote:

Whatever happenned to the buses at Heathrow which used to go through the
cargo tunnel?
(and not having to get caught up with all and sundry in the main tunnels)


I'm not sure what traffic is allowed in the cargo tunnel,

cargo traffic!

The security people stopped the buses running this way
several years ago, presumably never to return.

tim

"tim \(moved to sweden\)" wrote:


"Tony Polson" wrote in message
.. .
"londoncityslicker" wrote:

Whatever happenned to the buses at Heathrow which used to go through the
cargo tunnel?
(and not having to get caught up with all and sundry in the main tunnels)


I'm not sure what traffic is allowed in the cargo tunnel,

cargo traffic!

The security people stopped the buses running this way
several years ago, presumably never to return.


Does that include the inter-terminal shuttle buses? They used to run
to/from T4 through the cargo tunnel.

"Tony Polson" wrote in message
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"tim \(moved to sweden\)" wrote:


"Tony Polson" wrote in message
. ..
"londoncityslicker" wrote:

Whatever happenned to the buses at Heathrow which used to go through the
cargo tunnel?
(and not having to get caught up with all and sundry in the main
tunnels)


I'm not sure what traffic is allowed in the cargo tunnel,

cargo traffic!

The security people stopped the buses running this way
several years ago, presumably never to return.


Does that include the inter-terminal shuttle buses? They used to run
to/from T4 through the cargo tunnel.

Air side connections can run through the tunnel. Everybody on
them has already been through security so there's no issue.

Whether they do or not, I don't know.

tim

On 21 Apr 2005 01:19:08 -0700, "TheOneKEA"
wrote:

It will be - services between Paddington and H&H on Heathrow Connect
will be fully valid using Travelcards. It is only the service between
H&H and Heathrow that will have a premium fare.

Which is the problem.

I do (vaguely) understand the principle of HEx itself being a premium
product, but a local stopping service should be *entirely* within the
"Verbundtarif". I can't see a massive premium market there, in any
case, for a stopping service.

I also dislike the idea that it won't be advertised for Heathrow at
Padd. For holders of 1-6 Travelcards, it will be a cheaper choice to
pay the fare only from H&H to Heathrow, and this should be made easily
available to them if there is this insistence on so-called premium
ticketing.

Neil

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"tim \(moved to sweden\)" wrote:

Air side connections can run through the tunnel. Everybody on
them has already been through security so there's no issue.

Whether they do or not, I don't know.


The inter-terminal buses were landside, so presumably they will now be
banned. Understandable, but a pity.

"Tony Polson" wrote in message
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"tim \(moved to sweden\)" wrote:

Air side connections can run through the tunnel. Everybody on
them has already been through security so there's no issue.

Whether they do or not, I don't know.


The inter-terminal buses were landside, so presumably they will now be
banned. Understandable, but a pity.

The best way between T123 and T4 is Heathrow Express, which is free, unlike
the exorbitant fares between Heathrow and Paddington, or the proposed
exorbitant fares to H&H on Heathrow Connect.

Peter

Tony Polson wrote:
"tim \(moved to sweden\)" wrote:

Air side connections can run through the tunnel. Everybody on
them has already been through security so there's no issue.

Whether they do or not, I don't know.



The inter-terminal buses were landside, so presumably they will now be
banned. Understandable, but a pity.

But the airside inter-terminal buses - the ones going between Terminal 4 and
the Flight Connections building - do indeed still use the cargo tunnel.

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Stephen

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