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Does anyone have any reliable and straightforward information about this?
I've tried seeking information in the usual kinds of ways (operating company websites, stations, etc.) and have either missed it or there isn't any. I understand that will be every 30 mins, and call at all station from Ealing to Hayes en route. I believe it will be not be advertised as a Heathrow train at Paddington, to avoid through passengers using it. If so, will it be Hayes? And something similar in reverse? Will it serve terminal 4? What happens when terminal 5 opens? What will be the fares policy? Will travel cards be accepted? Will it operated by HEx or First? When will it actually start? I've seen all four desiros at Old Oak Common for quite some time. Will there be any significant changes to FGWL, as a result of cascaded stock from the current Hayes service? I should be most grateful to anyone who can shed any light. Thanks, Michael Hopkins |
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In article , Michael Hopkins
writes When will it actually start? A week or two back in the Ealing local paper it said that the latest quoted starting date was June. Don't hold your breath. -- Thoss |
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"Michael Hopkins" wrote in message ... Does anyone have any reliable and straightforward information about this? I've tried seeking information in the usual kinds of ways (operating company websites, stations, etc.) and have either missed it or there isn't any. I understand that will be every 30 mins, and call at all station from Ealing to Hayes en route. I believe it will be not be advertised as a Heathrow train at Paddington, to avoid through passengers using it. If so, will it be Hayes? And something similar in reverse? This seems to be the idea. Presumably it will be advertised to Hayes from Paddington, and to Heathrow from Ealing onwards, and in the reverse direction, to Ealing from Heathrow, and to Paddington from Hayes onwards. Will it serve terminal 4? What happens when terminal 5 opens? AIUI it will only go to T123, and reverse in the spur which is the start of the line to T4. Apparently the plan for when T5 opens is that HEx will go there, while Heathrow Connect will go to T4, then do a T4 to T123 shuttle, before returning to Paddington. This will give a 15 minute service between T123 and T4. Passengers travelling on HEx will have to change for T4, while passengers on Heathrow Connect will have to change for T5. What will be the fares policy? Will travel cards be accepted? Premium fare for the Hayes to Heathrow section, Travelcards only valid between Paddington and Hayes. Will it operated by HEx or First? Apparently a 'joint venture'. When will it actually start? I've seen all four desiros at Old Oak Common for quite some time. Will there be any significant changes to FGWL, as a result of cascaded stock from the current Hayes service? The timetable was changed to allow for Heathrow Connect last December, with the trains currently being operated by FGWL using 165s between Paddington and Hayes. AIUI the current plan is to introduce Heathrow Connect with the June timetable change, BICBW. Presumably the few 165s released will be used to strengthen some peak FGWL trains. Peter |
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Michael Hopkins wrote:
Will it serve terminal 4? What happens when terminal 5 opens? It will not serve Terminal 4 at the start. When T5 opens, it WILL serve T4, with HX serving T5. HX will then not serve T4, just T5. At least I believe that to be the case. Will it operated by HEx or First? A joint operation I think, but are the 360/2 fleet owned by BAA? I don't know much else about it, including any of the other questions. And there is a severe lack of information about it on any operator's website, as far as I can see. |
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"Michael Hopkins" wrote in message ... Does anyone have any reliable and straightforward information about this? I've tried seeking information in the usual kinds of ways (operating company websites, stations, etc.) and have either missed it or there isn't any. The summer timetable has been on websites a couple of weeks and some data is there, e.g. http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/index.htm Plan an Ealing - Heathrow journey for, say, 15 June to find new service. The Ealing - Heathrow rail fare seems more than the average budget air fare, not that such airlines use Heathrow. David |
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David Thornhill wrote: "Michael Hopkins" wrote in message ... Does anyone have any reliable and straightforward information about this? I've tried seeking information in the usual kinds of ways (operating company websites, stations, etc.) and have either missed it or there isn't any. The summer timetable has been on websites a couple of weeks and some data is there, e.g. http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/index.htm Plan an Ealing - Heathrow journey for, say, 15 June to find new service. The Ealing - Heathrow rail fare seems more than the average budget air fare, not that such airlines use Heathrow. David Does seem rather hefty esp. considering the Ealing-Heathrow via tube is scheduled to only take 10-15 minutes longer |
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"thoss" wrote in message
... In article , Michael Hopkins writes When will it actually start? A week or two back in the Ealing local paper it said that the latest quoted starting date was June. Don't hold your breath. Well obviously, no-one could hold their breath until June. -- John Rowland - Spamtrapped Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001 http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood. That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line - It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes |
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"David Thornhill" wrote in message ... "Michael Hopkins" wrote in message ... Does anyone have any reliable and straightforward information about this? I've tried seeking information in the usual kinds of ways (operating company websites, stations, etc.) and have either missed it or there isn't any. The summer timetable has been on websites a couple of weeks and some data is there, e.g. http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/index.htm Plan an Ealing - Heathrow journey for, say, 15 June to find new service. The Ealing - Heathrow rail fare seems more than the average budget air fare, And to save te rest of you doing what I had to do. It's 16.30 GBP. which is more than fare from padd? tim |
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"tim (moved to sweden)" wrote And to save te rest of you doing what I had to do. It's 16.30 GBP. which is more than fare from padd? I suspect no-one's published the Heathrow Connect fares yet - GBP16.30 is the existing fare from Ealing Broadway to Heathrow via Paddington and Heathrow Express. Peter |
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The Ealing - Heathrow rail fare seems more than the average budget air
fare, And to save te rest of you doing what I had to do. It's 16.30 GBP. which is more than fare from padd? tim The fares on the system are the current Heathrow Express fares via Paddington, as they increase travelling towards Hayes & Harlington. I understand the idea is for the fares to be set at: Heathrow Express fare minus Paddington to Ealing Broadway / West Ealing/ Southall/ Hayes & Harlington fare. |
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"Matthew Dickinson" wrote in message ... The Ealing - Heathrow rail fare seems more than the average budget air fare, And to save te rest of you doing what I had to do. It's 16.30 GBP. which is more than fare from padd? tim The fares on the system are the current Heathrow Express fares via Paddington, as they increase travelling towards Hayes & Harlington. I understand the idea is for the fares to be set at: Heathrow Express fare minus Paddington to Ealing Broadway / West Ealing/ Southall/ Hayes & Harlington fare. And this is how to encourage the use of public transport and reduce traffic congestion?! |
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On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 07:21:38 GMT, "Orienteer"
wrote: And this is how to encourage the use of public transport and reduce traffic congestion?! Quite. I for one believe that HEx - or at the very least the stopping service - should be subsidised and included in the Travelcard system, just like, for example, express services to Manchester Airport are within the GMPTE/National Rail fares structure. Neil -- Neil Williams in Milton Keynes, UK When replying please use neil at the above domain 'wensleydale' is a spam trap and is not read. |
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On Thu, 21 Apr 2005, Orienteer wrote:
"Matthew Dickinson" wrote in message The fares on the system are the current Heathrow Express fares via Paddington, as they increase travelling towards Hayes & Harlington. I understand the idea is for the fares to be set at: Heathrow Express fare minus Paddington to Ealing Broadway / West Ealing/ Southall/ Hayes & Harlington fare. And this is how to encourage the use of public transport and reduce traffic congestion?! Indeed. What about using a travelcard to travel to H&H, and then taking the bus to Heathrow, and vice versa? Will they try to prevent that - will they even abolish the bus? |
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Neil Williams wrote:
Quite. I for one believe that HEx - or at the very least the stopping service - should be subsidised and included in the Travelcard system, just like, for example, express services to Manchester Airport are within the GMPTE/National Rail fares structure. It will be - services between Paddington and H&H on Heathrow Connect will be fully valid using Travelcards. It is only the service between H&H and Heathrow that will have a premium fare. |
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In article , tim (moved to sweden)
writes Heathrow journey for, say, 15 June to find new service. The Ealing - Heathrow rail fare seems more than the average budget air fare, And to save te rest of you doing what I had to do. It's 16.30 GBP. which is more than fare from padd? I live on the E2 bus route, which goes to Ealing Broadway (Heathrow Connect) and Northfields (Piccadilly Line). Guess which way I will be going, using my travel pass. -- Thoss |
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"Alan J. Flavell" wrote
What about using a travelcard to travel to H&H, and then taking the bus to Heathrow, and vice versa? Will they try to prevent that - will they even abolish the bus? I am sure the bus will stay - it's not just a shuttle from H&H to Heathrow. If you use a travelcard to get to H&H it covers the bus fare as well. That being said, the HEx or H Connect fare might be worth paying if you've got a plane to catch. ;-) Peter |
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Matthew Dickinson wrote: The fares on the system are the current Heathrow Express fares via Paddington, as they increase travelling towards Hayes & Harlington. I understand the idea is for the fares to be set at: Heathrow Express fare minus Paddington to Ealing Broadway / West Ealing/ Southall/ Hayes & Harlington fare. Can't see this being popular with the locals in Hayes and Southall considering they both have direct bus services to Heathrow taking no more than 20 minutes. |
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"Tony Polson" wrote in message ... wrote: Can't see this being popular with the locals in Hayes and Southall considering they both have direct bus services to Heathrow taking no more than 20 minutes. When the tunnel into Heathrow is congested, which happens often, the train will offer a very attractive alternative to the bus. Whatever happenned to the buses at Heathrow which used to go through the cargo tunnel? (and not having to get caught up with all and sundry in the main tunnels) |
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"londoncityslicker" wrote:
Whatever happenned to the buses at Heathrow which used to go through the cargo tunnel? (and not having to get caught up with all and sundry in the main tunnels) I'm not sure what traffic is allowed in the cargo tunnel, but it is not much use if the bus is travelling from the Hayes direction, as it runs south from the central area. |
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On 21 Apr 2005, TheOneKEA wrote:
Neil Williams wrote: Quite. I for one believe that HEx - or at the very least the stopping service - should be subsidised and included in the Travelcard system, just like, for example, express services to Manchester Airport are within the GMPTE/National Rail fares structure. It will be - services between Paddington and H&H on Heathrow Connect will be fully valid using Travelcards. It is only the service between H&H and Heathrow that will have a premium fare. I think the point was that the trip to Heathrow should be included in the travelcard system. I mostly agree with Neil - i'm happy for HX to be a premium service, all suburban trains should come under the travelcard system, whether they happen to go to Heathrow or not. tom -- 20 Minutes into the Future |
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In message , at 07:27:02 on Thu, 21
Apr 2005, Neil Williams remarked: I for one believe that HEx - or at the very least the stopping service - should be subsidised and included in the Travelcard system, just like, for example, express services to Manchester Airport are within the GMPTE/National Rail fares structure. Why not mention it to the Government, and ask if they'll buy out BBA then (in effect nationalising HEx)? -- Roland Perry |
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On Thu, 21 Apr 2005, Peter Masson wrote:
"Alan J. Flavell" wrote What about using a travelcard to travel to H&H, and then taking the bus to Heathrow, and vice versa? Will they try to prevent that - will they even abolish the bus? I am sure the bus will stay - it's not just a shuttle from H&H to Heathrow. OK... If you use a travelcard to get to H&H it covers the bus fare as well. That was my point, yes ;-) But until now I never *did* actually try the bus option to connect with existing trains. Just seemed an interesting variation to keep in hand to try one day. Availability of a fast(er) train at H&H might just swing it. That being said, the HEx or H Connect fare might be worth paying if you've got a plane to catch. ;-) Yeah, true; in the other direction, the issue is catching one's meeting... It's been my experience that meetings in London start in a very staggered sort of way, with folks rolling in at various times muttering "PT problems", and everyone nods in sympathy. It's high time that I did the same, instead of breezing in on the yawn-o-clock flight from Glasgow, and getting to the venue before the coffee is even ready. (And then falling asleep mid-afternoon...) But yes, I'd be reluctant to miss my flight back. Sorry (ObRailway), I'd *like* to promote the sleeper. but somehow I never could get used to sleepers. |
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"Tony Polson" wrote in message ... "londoncityslicker" wrote: Whatever happenned to the buses at Heathrow which used to go through the cargo tunnel? (and not having to get caught up with all and sundry in the main tunnels) I'm not sure what traffic is allowed in the cargo tunnel, cargo traffic! The security people stopped the buses running this way several years ago, presumably never to return. tim |
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"tim \(moved to sweden\)" wrote:
"Tony Polson" wrote in message .. . "londoncityslicker" wrote: Whatever happenned to the buses at Heathrow which used to go through the cargo tunnel? (and not having to get caught up with all and sundry in the main tunnels) I'm not sure what traffic is allowed in the cargo tunnel, cargo traffic! The security people stopped the buses running this way several years ago, presumably never to return. Does that include the inter-terminal shuttle buses? They used to run to/from T4 through the cargo tunnel. |
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"Tony Polson" wrote in message ... "tim \(moved to sweden\)" wrote: "Tony Polson" wrote in message . .. "londoncityslicker" wrote: Whatever happenned to the buses at Heathrow which used to go through the cargo tunnel? (and not having to get caught up with all and sundry in the main tunnels) I'm not sure what traffic is allowed in the cargo tunnel, cargo traffic! The security people stopped the buses running this way several years ago, presumably never to return. Does that include the inter-terminal shuttle buses? They used to run to/from T4 through the cargo tunnel. Air side connections can run through the tunnel. Everybody on them has already been through security so there's no issue. Whether they do or not, I don't know. tim |
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On 21 Apr 2005 01:19:08 -0700, "TheOneKEA"
wrote: It will be - services between Paddington and H&H on Heathrow Connect will be fully valid using Travelcards. It is only the service between H&H and Heathrow that will have a premium fare. Which is the problem. I do (vaguely) understand the principle of HEx itself being a premium product, but a local stopping service should be *entirely* within the "Verbundtarif". I can't see a massive premium market there, in any case, for a stopping service. I also dislike the idea that it won't be advertised for Heathrow at Padd. For holders of 1-6 Travelcards, it will be a cheaper choice to pay the fare only from H&H to Heathrow, and this should be made easily available to them if there is this insistence on so-called premium ticketing. Neil -- Neil Williams in Milton Keynes, UK When replying please use neil at the above domain 'wensleydale' is a spam trap and is not read. |
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"tim \(moved to sweden\)" wrote:
Air side connections can run through the tunnel. Everybody on them has already been through security so there's no issue. Whether they do or not, I don't know. The inter-terminal buses were landside, so presumably they will now be banned. Understandable, but a pity. |
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"Tony Polson" wrote in message ... "tim \(moved to sweden\)" wrote: Air side connections can run through the tunnel. Everybody on them has already been through security so there's no issue. Whether they do or not, I don't know. The inter-terminal buses were landside, so presumably they will now be banned. Understandable, but a pity. The best way between T123 and T4 is Heathrow Express, which is free, unlike the exorbitant fares between Heathrow and Paddington, or the proposed exorbitant fares to H&H on Heathrow Connect. Peter |
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Tony Polson wrote:
"tim \(moved to sweden\)" wrote: Air side connections can run through the tunnel. Everybody on them has already been through security so there's no issue. Whether they do or not, I don't know. The inter-terminal buses were landside, so presumably they will now be banned. Understandable, but a pity. But the airside inter-terminal buses - the ones going between Terminal 4 and the Flight Connections building - do indeed still use the cargo tunnel. -- Stephen Do I look like a man who would enjoy a game of Goofy-Ball? |
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Peter Masson wrote:
"Tony Polson" wrote in message ... "tim \(moved to sweden\)" wrote: Air side connections can run through the tunnel. Everybody on them has already been through security so there's no issue. Whether they do or not, I don't know. The inter-terminal buses were landside, so presumably they will now be banned. Understandable, but a pity. The best way between T123 and T4 is Heathrow Express, Not if you're connecting between flights. -- Stephen SOOKIE: We are crazy for doing this. LORELAI: We're beyond crazy. We are Anne Heche speaking her secret language to God and looking for the spaceship in Fresno crazy. SOOKIE: Oh Quiness, nokka don atta. LORELAI: Il ek notra doska donne. |
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Orienteer wrote: "Matthew Dickinson" wrote in message ... The Ealing - Heathrow rail fare seems more than the average budget air fare, And to save te rest of you doing what I had to do. It's 16.30 GBP. which is more than fare from padd? tim The fares on the system are the current Heathrow Express fares via Paddington, as they increase travelling towards Hayes & Harlington. I understand the idea is for the fares to be set at: Heathrow Express fare minus Paddington to Ealing Broadway / West Ealing/ Southall/ Hayes & Harlington fare. And this is how to encourage the use of public transport and reduce traffic congestion?! I guess there will probably be special discount arrangements for airport workers who are one of the main target markets for this service. David |
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On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 06:55:59 +0100, gwr4090
wrote: I guess there will probably be special discount arrangements for airport workers who are one of the main target markets for this service. IOW, "stuff the passengers" - the air passengers, that is. Nothing changes... Neil -- Neil Williams in Milton Keynes, UK When replying please use neil at the above domain 'wensleydale' is a spam trap and is not read. |
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In message , at 06:54:19 on Fri, 22
Apr 2005, Neil Williams remarked: I guess there will probably be special discount arrangements for airport workers who are one of the main target markets for this service. IOW, "stuff the passengers" - the air passengers, that is. The workers are rail passengers too, and iirc outnumber the passengers. Surely it's better to get them regularly using the train, than prising the air passengers from their cars one at a time - especially as there will be very few air passengers, compared to airport workers, starting their journeys close to the places the Connect service will be calling. -- Roland Perry |
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Stephen Farrow wrote:
Tony Polson wrote: "tim \(moved to sweden\)" wrote: Air side connections can run through the tunnel. Everybody on them has already been through security so there's no issue. Whether they do or not, I don't know. The inter-terminal buses were landside, so presumably they will now be banned. Understandable, but a pity. But the airside inter-terminal buses - the ones going between Terminal 4 and the Flight Connections building - do indeed still use the cargo tunnel. Accepted, but they are not freely available for public use, which is surely what was being discussed. |
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wrote to uk.transport.london on Wed, 20 Apr 2005:
Michael Hopkins wrote: Will it serve terminal 4? What happens when terminal 5 opens? It will not serve Terminal 4 at the start. When T5 opens, it WILL serve T4, with HX serving T5. HX will then not serve T4, just T5. At least I believe that to be the case. Will there still be free transfer between the various terminals on whichever train is appropriate, as there is at the moment? -- "Mrs Redboots" http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/ Website updated 3 April 2005 |
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Stephen Farrow wrote to uk.transport.london on Thu, 21 Apr 2005:
Peter Masson wrote: The best way between T123 and T4 is Heathrow Express, Not if you're connecting between flights. I would have thought that it might easily be quicker, but, of course, that depends on whether or not you have just missed one! -- "Mrs Redboots" http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/ Website updated 3 April 2005 |
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On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 06:55:59 +0100, gwr4090
wrote: I guess there will probably be special discount arrangements for airport workers who are one of the main target markets for this service. I believe that BAA have special concessions for their workforce and for other workers on the airport, to make travel by public transport the best way to get to work. It would make sense for them to extend this to the new service. -- Terry Harper Website Coordinator, The Omnibus Society http://www.omnibussoc.org |
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Arthur Figgis ] wrote:
On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 06:54:19 GMT, (Neil Williams) wrote: On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 06:55:59 +0100, gwr4090 wrote: I guess there will probably be special discount arrangements for airport workers who are one of the main target markets for this service. IOW, "stuff the passengers" - the air passengers, that is. Nothing changes... An awful lot of people work at big airports. Cheap season tickets but expensive normal fares could be a way of getting the airport staff to use the trains. That surely has to be the intention. One of the busiest stations on the Piccadilly Line is Hatton Cross, which serves the maintenance area to the East of the airport, adjacent to the A30. Huge numbers of people get on and off Piccadilly Line services here, and the assumption must be that they are airport workers. Figures are probably available from the BAA policy document on transport links to Heathrow Airport. This used to be a .pdf document, downloadable from the BAA web site. |
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