On 21 Jul 2005 02:38:58 -0700 someone who may be "MartinM"
wrote this:-

the A40 has been declassified on the Westway, no longer a motorway,

Indeed. According to uk.transport this was part of an anti-motorist
plan by Ken Livingstone. All the little bits of motorway in London
(parts of the plans to destroy London with motorways that were never
carried out) which the road lobby were hoping would eventually be
linked up have been "declassified".

It would be nice to think that they would soon start removing these
roads, but in reality Mr Livingstone wants to build more motorways,
as the so-called Thames Gateway Bridge clearly illustrates.

http://www.livingstreets.org.uk/page.php?pageid=425
http://www.transport2000.org.uk/camp...afficBrief.htm
and
http://www.foe.co.uk/resource/press_..._19082004.html
present an alternative view of this folly to Mr Livingstone's.




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David Hansen wrote:

Indeed. According to uk.transport this was part of an anti-motorist
plan by Ken Livingstone. All the little bits of motorway in London
(parts of the plans to destroy London with motorways that were never
carried out) which the road lobby were hoping would eventually be
linked up have been "declassified".

Yay! Ken Leninspart and his black helichopters terrorise uk.tosspot!

However, in spite of the "downgrading" of the assorted proto-motorways,
AFAIK cycling is still Policely Forbidden thereupon, as it is on certain
other not-now-and-never-have-been-a-motorway roads, such as the tunnel and
flyover sections of the A406.

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Dave Larrington wrote:

AFAIK cycling is still Policely Forbidden thereupon, as it is on
certain other not-now-and-never-have-been-a-motorway roads, such
as the tunnel and flyover sections of the A406.

All of them? I've cycled over the flyover bit by the start of the M1 a
few times without noticing a "No Cycling" sign. Oh dear, was I bad?
ISTR there are cycling-free bits up towards Whipps Cross.

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dkahn400 wrote:

All of them? I've cycled over the flyover bit by the start of the M1 a
few times without noticing a "No Cycling" sign. Oh dear, was I bad?
ISTR there are cycling-free bits up towards Whipps Cross.

I'm pretty sure there's a "No cycling" sign at the eastbound end of the
Staples Corner flyover; there certainly is at the one by the end of the M11
and in the Fore Street tunnel. I think there are others in the vicinity of
The Death Of The Soul and further round towards Barking.

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On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 11:41:49 +0100, David Hansen wrote:


Indeed. According to uk.transport this was part of an anti-motorist
plan by Ken Livingstone. All the little bits of motorway in London
(parts of the plans to destroy London with motorways that were never
carried out) which the road lobby were hoping would eventually be linked
up have been "declassified".

No, not 'anti-motorist' at all.
I read on a website that this was due to the roads in question being
given to Transport for London to run. TfL cannot by law run motorways,
so these short stretches had to be declassified.
I may be wrong - and stand to be corrected.
On the short section from Shepherd's Bush up to join the A40 Westway there
is a cycling ban. 50mph limit on that stretch also.

John Hearns wrote:

No, not 'anti-motorist' at all.
I read on a website that this was due to the roads in question being
given to Transport for London to run. TfL cannot by law run motorways,
so these short stretches had to be declassified.
I may be wrong - and stand to be corrected.
On the short section from Shepherd's Bush up to join the A40 Westway
there is a cycling ban. 50mph limit on that stretch also.

That's the story on pathetic.org.uk. My mate Ian was once clobbered riding
on the A102(M) at three in the morning, so he rode up the Old Ford slip
road, waited until the dibbles had cleared off and carried on. Back then
most of it had a 60 mph limit - nowadays it's 40 from the M11 link road all
the way to the Blackwall tunnel.

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David Hansen wrote:
as the so-called Thames Gateway Bridge clearly illustrates.

Thames Gateway Bridge? Isn't that the one they started building a few
years ago and then gave up?

The bits of it they actually built are still visible - on the docklands
road near the Beckton Savacentre, right by the old gasworks where they
filmed Full Metal Jacket. (Well, they were still there last time I
looked, but come to think of it, it's four years since I moved out of
east London... the area was pretty much derelict at the time but is by
now probably a thriving residential estate for "executives"...)

d.

On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 10:37:38 -0700, davek wrote:

David Hansen wrote:
as the so-called Thames Gateway Bridge clearly illustrates.

Thames Gateway Bridge? Isn't that the one they started building a few
years ago and then gave up?

The bits of it they actually built are still visible - on the docklands
road near the Beckton Savacentre, right by the old gasworks where they
filmed Full Metal Jacket. (Well, they were still there last time I looked,
but come to think of it, it's four years since I moved out of east
London... the area was pretty much derelict at the time but is by now
probably a thriving residential estate for "executives"...)
The gasworks site and the bridge are still there.

A huge new Tescos plus associated shops has been built, plus new access
roads so there will be housing there soon.
We do rides there on occasion, and always stop to comment on Full Metal
Jacket.

There is a new path implemented, which runs from Tescos to the river at
the gasworks piers (where the coal was unloaded) then past the sewage farm
and the up Barking Creek.
Last time I was in the area the path was not open.

I might be starting a rumour, but I think a pedestrian bridge over Barking
Creek is on the cards.

If you are in the area, make sure to go east of the Creek and visit
Dagenham City Farm. Excellent cheap food, big roast dinners on Sunday.

John Hearns wrote:

I might be starting a rumour, but I think a pedestrian bridge over
Barking Creek is on the cards.

I'm sure I read something about that recently too.

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