Get to Chalk Farm NB last night.

Departing passenger knocks on cab door "There's an unattended rucksack on
this car".

Go check and find that there is indeed an unattended rucksack in the car,
complete with about 20 passengers.

Detrain, telling everybody to leave the station and close the doors on the
car. Another passenger says to me - "the person who had the rucksack got
off at Mornington Crescent - he was drunk".

So, the scenario is:

3 weeks ago - three bombs explode on trains and one on a bus, many people
killed.
1½ weeks ago - at least 4(?) devices are detonated, but fail to explode
On both days, the bombs were in rucksacks.


Passenger gets off at Mornington Crescent. Rucksack is left unattended in
full view of everybody. At least two passengers notice it. Nobody bothers
about it.
Train continues to next station, Camden Town - still nobody bothered about
the rucksack

I am told about the rucksack by passenger at Chalk Farm, who is getting of
the train there anyway.

I am told by a detrained passenger that the rucksack was left unattended
at Mornington Crescent (2 stations away). Presumably if the first
passenger hadn't told me, nobody else would have bothered and the train
would have still carried on without any body caring.

If this is the mentality of people who are travelling in the current
situation, then there is no hope for anybody!

The station is closed, then Supervisor turns up, goes in the car and
rummages through rucksack before removing it. Apparently that's the
procedure. Fine by me! - I'll leave it to the station staff to sort out
and reappear when given the all clear. :-)

Roger

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Get to Chalk Farm NB last night.

Departing passenger knocks on cab door "There's an unattended rucksack on
this car".

I would love it if all luggage left unattended was destroyed. Have you ever
seen Monsters Inc, the film? A child's sock gets through into Monster World;
special troops cover the sock with a metal dome, screw the dome to the floor
and set of an explosion, annihilating the sock. Every station should have
one!

On Mon, 01 Aug 2005 06:25:33 -0500, wrote:

Get to Chalk Farm NB last night.

Departing passenger knocks on cab door "There's an unattended rucksack on
this car".

Go check and find that there is indeed an unattended rucksack in the car,
complete with about 20 passengers.

Detrain, telling everybody to leave the station and close the doors on the
car. Another passenger says to me - "the person who had the rucksack got
off at Mornington Crescent - he was drunk".


So common sense suggests it was not left by a muslim terrorist. The
passengers applied this preferred to take the small risk and get get
home
--
Peter Lawrence

Peter Lawrence wrote:
On Mon, 01 Aug 2005 06:25:33 -0500, wrote:

Get to Chalk Farm NB last night.

Departing passenger knocks on cab door "There's an unattended
rucksack on this car".

Go check and find that there is indeed an unattended rucksack in the
car, complete with about 20 passengers.

Detrain, telling everybody to leave the station and close the doors
on the car. Another passenger says to me - "the person who had the
rucksack got off at Mornington Crescent - he was drunk".


So common sense suggests it was not left by a muslim terrorist. The
passengers applied this preferred to take the small risk and get get
home

Which is the usual criteria for dealing with any matter arising (ignore it,
"I'm in a hurry"), regardless of the danger failing to take action may cause
to themselves or others.

So all a terrorist has to do is pretend to be drunk and KABOOMMMMMMMMMM,
a packed train gone up and many dead, it's scarey how stupid people are.

Peter Lawrence wrote:
On Mon, 01 Aug 2005 06:25:33 -0500, wrote:


Get to Chalk Farm NB last night.

Departing passenger knocks on cab door "There's an unattended rucksack on
this car".

Go check and find that there is indeed an unattended rucksack in the car,
complete with about 20 passengers.

Detrain, telling everybody to leave the station and close the doors on the
car. Another passenger says to me - "the person who had the rucksack got
off at Mornington Crescent - he was drunk".



So common sense suggests it was not left by a muslim terrorist. The
passengers applied this preferred to take the small risk and get get
home

On Mon, 01 Aug 2005 06:25:33 -0500, wrote:

Get to Chalk Farm NB last night.

Departing passenger knocks on cab door "There's an unattended rucksack on
this car".

[snip]
I am told by a detrained passenger that the rucksack was left unattended
at Mornington Crescent (2 stations away). Presumably if the first
passenger hadn't told me, nobody else would have bothered and the train
would have still carried on without any body caring.

If this is the mentality of people who are travelling in the current
situation, then there is no hope for anybody!

The number of incidents caused by unattended luggage is truly
staggering. Well over 2/3s of the daily report for LU is security
related at present and most are unattended items.

I can think of only two occasions when I have left something unattended
- and they were both while on holiday in other countries. I really,
really struggle to understand how people can leave stuff unattended or
behind in normal circumstances never mind those we are in now. Anyone
got a clue as to how people do it?

A woman left her handbag unattended at my local bus stop the morning
after the 7 July bombings. It was only when I asked if the bag belonged
to anyone that the penny suddenly dropped and she sheepishly retrieved
it.
--
Paul C


Admits to working for London Underground!

"Paul Corfield" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 01 Aug 2005 06:25:33 -0500, wrote:

Get to Chalk Farm NB last night.

Departing passenger knocks on cab door "There's an unattended rucksack on
this car".

[snip]
I am told by a detrained passenger that the rucksack was left unattended
at Mornington Crescent (2 stations away). Presumably if the first
passenger hadn't told me, nobody else would have bothered and the train
would have still carried on without any body caring.

If this is the mentality of people who are travelling in the current
situation, then there is no hope for anybody!

The number of incidents caused by unattended luggage is truly
staggering. Well over 2/3s of the daily report for LU is security
related at present and most are unattended items.

I can think of only two occasions when I have left something unattended
- and they were both while on holiday in other countries. I really,
really struggle to understand how people can leave stuff unattended or
behind in normal circumstances never mind those we are in now. Anyone
got a clue as to how people do it?

A woman left her handbag unattended at my local bus stop the morning
after the 7 July bombings. It was only when I asked if the bag belonged
to anyone that the penny suddenly dropped and she sheepishly retrieved
it.
--
Paul C


Admits to working for London Underground!

And then there are the clowns who insist on reading the Quran outloud in a
carriage........
I've had 3 reports incurring a delay of males of Asian appearance carying
rucksacks doing just that.
Wonder why?

Mal

In message , Paul Corfield
writes

The number of incidents caused by unattended luggage is truly
staggering. Well over 2/3s of the daily report for LU is security
related at present and most are unattended items.

I can think of only two occasions when I have left something unattended
- and they were both while on holiday in other countries. I really,
really struggle to understand how people can leave stuff unattended or
behind in normal circumstances never mind those we are in now. Anyone
got a clue as to how people do it?

It is important to remember that just as not everyone has the same
physical prowess, so not everyone has the same mental prowess.

In some cases it is merely a predisposition towards forgetfulness, but
in others it can be the early stages of dementia, a condition which
affects a very large number of people in this country. Sadly, I have
seen loved ones regressing from forgetting bags and keys to forgetting
where they live, and eventually forgetting to whom they are married and
who are their children.

--
Paul Terry

On Mon, 1 Aug 2005 19:50:21 +0100, Paul Terry
wrote:
[unattended luggage]

It is important to remember that just as not everyone has the same
physical prowess, so not everyone has the same mental prowess.

In some cases it is merely a predisposition towards forgetfulness, but
in others it can be the early stages of dementia, a condition which
affects a very large number of people in this country. Sadly, I have
seen loved ones regressing from forgetting bags and keys to forgetting
where they live, and eventually forgetting to whom they are married and
who are their children.

Fair comment - I hadn't thought of those sorts of issues.
--
Paul C


Admits to working for London Underground!

Paul Corfield wrote:
On Mon, 01 Aug 2005 06:25:33 -0500, wrote:

Get to Chalk Farm NB last night.

Departing passenger knocks on cab door "There's an unattended
rucksack on this car".

[snip]
I am told by a detrained passenger that the rucksack was left
unattended at Mornington Crescent (2 stations away). Presumably if
the first passenger hadn't told me, nobody else would have
bothered and the train would have still carried on without any
body caring.

If this is the mentality of people who are travelling in the
current situation, then there is no hope for anybody!

The number of incidents caused by unattended luggage is truly
staggering. Well over 2/3s of the daily report for LU is security
related at present and most are unattended items.

I can think of only two occasions when I have left something
unattended - and they were both while on holiday in other
countries. I really, really struggle to understand how people can
leave stuff unattended or behind in normal circumstances never mind
those we are in now. Anyone got a clue as to how people do it?

Well, let's start with you (purely in the interests of research, you
understand). How did you come to leave something unattended? Was the
fact that you were on holiday in another country relevant? There must
be many tube passengers in London in precisely those circumstances.

I suspect that it often happens when (a) you are carrying something that
you don't normally carry, and (b) you have something important on your
mind that distracts you from other matters.

I would have thought that LU might have done some research on the
subject. For what proportion of unattended items are their owners
subsequently identified, and are the owners quizzed about why/how they
managed to leave the items?
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)