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An outside London ODTC is based on the travelcard price
plus whatever the rail company charges to the boundary
of Zone 6. The ODTC1-6 has gone up by 30p. The Zone 1
tube single doesn't even come in to the equation.

Has this changed? It used to be, the cost of a DR to
London (BR) plus a fixed amount, which just happened
to be slightly less than two single tube rides.
(IIRC 2 quid against 1.10, perhaps someone can
remember how long ago this was?)

Its been a cheap day return plus a one day travelcard for as
long as I can remember.

What you describe sounds like a season ticket to a London
terminal which includes a Zone 1 travelcard. This ticket is
still available.

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"TKD" wrote in message
...

An outside London ODTC is based on the travelcard price
plus whatever the rail company charges to the boundary
of Zone 6. The ODTC1-6 has gone up by 30p. The Zone 1
tube single doesn't even come in to the equation.

Has this changed? It used to be, the cost of a DR to
London (BR) plus a fixed amount, which just happened
to be slightly less than two single tube rides.
(IIRC 2 quid against 1.10, perhaps someone can
remember how long ago this was?)

Its been a cheap day return plus a one day travelcard for as
long as I can remember.

Agreed, I was takling about how the cost for same is calculated.

tim

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Laurence Payne wrote
On Thu, 06 Oct 2005 10:38:02 +0100, Paul
wrote:

I have a sneaking suspicion that TFLs long term aim is to get rid of

travelcards altogether and move everyone on to pre-pay oysters (with
the
daily cap thing still applying).

Why sneaking? That's what we WANT! If the NR companies could just
co-operate.

Why do you want Cheap Day Returns to vanish ?

--
Mike D

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Why do you want Cheap Day Returns to vanish ?

Because on Oyster from next year a return from Zone 6
to Zone 2 will cost £2 (£1 each way).

How do NR CDRs compare with this?

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Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
In article ,
(TKD) wrote:

People not from London can stop complaining too. Londoners deserve
cheaper fares, in fact we pay in part for the costs of the
Underground through our council tax so I'm perfectly happy to no
longer subsidise tourists and visitors who, for whatever reason,
do not adopt Oyster.

My parents in Putney in a much larger home pay a lot less council
Tax than I do in Cambridge. So I reckon I pay more to support TfL
through my general taxes than they do.

That's because they're in the London Borough of Wandsworth, famous for
setting a zero poll tax, and which still has a very low council tax
rate. I assume that by some quirk of government funding, LBW have
managed to get an extremely favourable deal. If your parents were
across the river in Fulham, their council tax would be 83% higher (or
90% higher if they're not subject to the Commons rate).
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

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On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 13:00:39 +0100, Laurence Payne
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Oct 2005 11:14:10 +0100, James Farrar
wrote:

And the price of 12 single journeys using PrePay is twelve times the
price of one.

Unless a number of them are on the same day.

Ah, yes, good point.

"A maximum of twelve times [...]".

--
James Farrar
. @gmail.com

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On Fri, 7 Oct 2005 20:02:39 +0200, "tim \(moved to sweden\)"
wrote:


"James Farrar" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 6 Oct 2005 18:43:40 +0200, "tim \(moved to sweden\)"
wrote:



So you're already choosing to pay more.

No you are not. Anyone with any sense does not buy a monthly
pass to cover their 2 week xmas and summer break

Assuming you take your holiday as such. In my experience most people
take their holiday entitlement in more than two blocks.

You know a weird set of 'most' people.

IME most people have 2 weeks off at Xmas because their
employer gives them no choice.

And most people take 2 (or more) weeks holiday in the
summer/easter when the kids are off school.

I guess if you work in retail (or hospitality) it's different, but
I would be suprised if almost every one else didn't fit the above.

I'm in a service industry; our customers are in many different fields,
and so I get to hear about holidays and suchlike as it's the sort of
thing people tend to talk about. ("I'm off to Paris for a long
weekend", to give just one example from this week).

I've *never* heard of a company requiring 10 days' holiday allowance
be taken at the Christmas/New Year period. This year, the longest that
I know about is five days.

I just looked at uswitch.com and it gave me a whole list of 12-month
loans that the monthly payment is less than a monthly Travelcard
(using the example of a Z1-5 as quoted).

but is it less than 11?

Many are.

but not by much I suspect

By an amount greater than zero.

--
James Farrar
. @gmail.com

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Barry Salter wrote:

Though it's been some time since the "Prepaid tickets only" area was
expanded to cover the West End (and the bendies, of course), with no
sign of a further expansion as yet.

The W7 (Finsbury Park to Muswell Hill) went cash free about 4 years ago as
a trial, successful it has been though to be fair it is a short route with
high frequency. I can't see the whole of the capital going to road side
machines, however what's needed is a steady introduction at strategic
stops.

BTW have road side machines started appearing on the outer end of the route
38 due to go over to bendy buses at the end of the month?

--
Phil Richards
London, UK
Home Page: http://www.philrichards1.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk

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Neil Williams wrote:

[1] I fail to see how anyone can consider, in itself, gbp3 as a
reasonable fare for a short-distance Tube single.

You've (repeatedly) made this point, the idea being to "convert" more over
to Oyster. Nobody is making you pay the £3 when you have every opportunity
to save yourself half of that just as easy by using prepay.

At least you know about the options. The ones that get caught out will be
the infrequent users, tourists etc. who fail to find out and, worse still,
won't be advised by ticket sellers at stations they have a cheaper option
when they fork out 3 quid for a cash single. That's what TfL/LUL need to
concentrate on next.

--
Phil Richards
London, UK
Home Page: http://www.philrichards1.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk

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Nick Cooper wrote:

Except that if you buy a book of 1st Class stamps before a price-rise
for basic 1st Class, the "old price" stamps are still valid at the
"new price."

The same could be said about the Saver 6 tickets which could have been
bought at the old price before the fares went up and used after.

--
Phil Richards
London, UK
Home Page: http://www.philrichards1.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk