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On Sat, 08 Oct 2005 16:46:20 GMT, (Neil
Williams) wrote:

Do TfL allow an "overdraft" of one (bus?) journey, perhaps only on
registered cards so they wouldn't have trouble getting it back?

Surely the whole point of the £3 deposit is that it covers a potential
"overdraft"? So there should be no problem with allowing it for
unregistered cards too.

I assumed it represented the cost of the blank card.

tim

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On Sat, 8 Oct 2005 20:35:16 +0200, "tim \(moved to sweden\)"
wrote:

Do TfL allow an "overdraft" of one (bus?) journey, perhaps only on
registered cards so they wouldn't have trouble getting it back?

Surely the whole point of the £3 deposit is that it covers a potential
"overdraft"? So there should be no problem with allowing it for
unregistered cards too.

I assumed it represented the cost of the blank card.

I assumed it was because the gates would have to let you through to
begin your journey if you had at least £1.10/£1.70 on your card, but
you could make a journey costing up to £3.50 (or more if the Amersham
branch is involved).

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"asdf" wrote in message
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On Sat, 8 Oct 2005 20:35:16 +0200, "tim \(moved to sweden\)"
wrote:

Do TfL allow an "overdraft" of one (bus?) journey, perhaps only on
registered cards so they wouldn't have trouble getting it back?

Surely the whole point of the £3 deposit is that it covers a potential
"overdraft"? So there should be no problem with allowing it for
unregistered cards too.

I assumed it represented the cost of the blank card.

I assumed it was because the gates would have to let you through to
begin your journey if you had at least £1.10/£1.70 on your card, but
you could make a journey costing up to £3.50 (or more if the Amersham
branch is involved).

good point.

And you can get onto the drain and then onto the Central line
with no credit at all, even if you do 'touch'.

tim

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Surely the whole point of the £3 deposit is that it covers a potential
"overdraft"? So there should be no problem with allowing it for
unregistered cards too.

I assumed it represented the cost of the blank card.

I assumed it was because the gates would have to let you through to
begin your journey if you had at least £1.10/£1.70 on your card, but
you could make a journey costing up to £3.50 (or more if the Amersham
branch is involved).

The £3 is just an incentive to reuse the card and not throw it away.

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On Sat, 8 Oct 2005 20:35:16 +0200, "tim \(moved to sweden\)"
wrote:

I assumed it represented the cost of the blank card.

As did I, as MK Metro charge gbp5 for their contact smartcards
(non-refundable).

Neil

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In message , Neil Williams
writes

On Fri, 7 Oct 2005 13:45:19 +0100, Paul Terry
wrote:

They claim no such thing. They claim that Oyster is of no used for
occasional travel to London, since pre-pay is not accepted on most of
the national rail network.

Correct. I also "claim" that it would be possible to modify the
Oyster system by way of "vending" machines, return machines (if a
disposable card is not feasible) and better instruction and
explanation posters in multiple languages in order to remove the need
for paper tickets at all.

But more importantly you need to persuade TOCs in London to accept
pre-pay Oyster in the first place.

Some people appear to be ignoring this, and branding anyone who
doesn't think the *current* Oyster system is ready for this

Nope. I'd love to use pre-pay Oyster on NR. But at the moment is as
useless as trying to use a Nectar Card to pay for the fare.

--
Paul Terry

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Neil Williams wrote:

I wonder if the new scheme will include NS trains, as the
Strippenkaart doesn't, for some reason I completely fail to understand
in the land of "integrated" passenger transport ticketing.

Are you sure about this? I have used one on NS journeys within Amsterdam
some years ago; maybe the system has changed since then?

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John Ray, London UK.

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In message , Nick Cooper
writes

On Fri, 7 Oct 2005 20:02:39 +0200, "tim \(moved to sweden\)"
wrote:

IME most people have 2 weeks off at Xmas because their
employer gives them no choice.

Absolutely no people I know - and that cover a wide variety of jobs -
gets that.

This is getting off-topic, but every one of the dozen or so companies I
deal with totally shut down for some two weeks between about December
22nd and January 5th.

Most of my colleagues in teaching had a longer break, especially those
in the university sector.

--
Paul Terry

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On Sat, 08 Oct 2005 16:12:08 GMT, (Neil
Williams) wrote:

Public transport is for the public, not just
for local people, though the actions of some provincial bus companies
(or more the inactions) may make you think otherwise.

I wouldn't expect non-residents to be EXCUDED from local 'buses etc.
But there's no Holy Writ that locals (or any other group) shouldn't
get a cheaper deal. Last time I was in the U.S. I saw a lot of this
sot of thing. Local facilities such as swimming pools had a
resident's price and an outsider's price. The residents had paid
for it through local taxation - they got a reduction.

This goes along with the whole idea of local taxation, doesn't it?

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On Sat, 8 Oct 2005 20:31:53 +0100, Paul Terry
wrote:

But more importantly you need to persuade TOCs in London to accept
pre-pay Oyster in the first place.

I think we should go for a true single Verbundtarif across Tube and
train, and also possibly something including through travel onto
buses. That wouldn't just require persuasion, it'd require
legislation.

Neil

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