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Chris Tolley wrote:

Neither do I. But then nor do I find it remotely likely either. Whenever
I've travelled in foreign parts, the local tourist publicity has always
been informative about how to get the most out of local public
transport.

Certainly the literature designed for foreign tourists will make it clear
about the (financial) advantages of Oyster prepay vs individual tickets.
Other than perhaps the TfL Travel Information Centres (at Victoria, Euston
etc.) I wonder how many will get told that there is a cheaper option before
getting sold a £3 zone 1 single?

--
Phil Richards
London, UK
Home Page: http://www.philrichards1.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk

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Laurence Payne wrote:

Incidentally, I don't find the idea of ripping off tourists and
non-Londoners (which has been mentioned as a target) remotely
acceptable.

Tourists from abroad get offered all sorts of attractive travelcard
options that we never hear about.

The Visitor Travelcard got abolished with the January 2005 fares changes.
If anything it was more of a rip off than buying daily or weekly
Travelcards once they got to London.

--
Phil Richards
London, UK
Home Page: http://www.philrichards1.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk

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On Thu, 06 Oct 2005 21:18:36 GMT, (Neil
Williams) wrote:

On Thu, 06 Oct 2005 09:13:06 +0100, Arthur Figgis
] wrote:

Kuala Lumpur did that when I went. You got the final trip cheap if
there wasn't enough credit remaining on the throw-away card. Of
course, the two different metros in KL didn't accept each other's
tickets :-) (though I think that's been changed now)

I'll check it out when I'm there[1] in a couple of weeks (I jest not).

Funnily enough, it now seems I'm going back out there at the end of
the month. Hopefully I can try the new monorail, which was just being
built last time I went
--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

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Barry Salter wrote:

In addition, various TOCs, including c2c, Midland Mainline, and wagn,
offer you the ability to pay for an Annual Season Ticket by monthly

A risk for the TOCs as if repayments are stopped for some reason it could
be difficult to track down and withdraw the season ticket. However there is
nothing to stop TfL administering a monthly repayment scheme for annuals
and in the case that there is a repayment problem Oyster technology would
effectively be able to stop the ticket from being used any further.

and a lot of companies offer Season Ticket Loans, usually interest free,
thereby spreading the cost.

Largely because many TOCs or TfL don't and in many cases it is a lot to pay
up front once a year. It is some sort of a financial risk for a company who
offers out the loan. If the employee leaves (or is dismissed) before the
end of the repayment period despite having no doubt signed a contract to
say they must repay the loan in full, I'm sure some slip through the net.

--
Phil Richards
London, UK
Home Page: http://www.philrichards1.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk

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On Fri, 7 Oct 2005 18:07 +0100 (BST), (Colin
Rosenstiel) wrote:

In article ,
(Terry Harper) wrote:

On Fri, 7 Oct 2005 12:51 +0100 (BST), (Colin
Rosenstiel) wrote:

In article ,
(Roland Perry) wrote:

I was advised I needed two for a tram journey of about half a mile.
So perhaps that's the minimum. I walked. Like you, I have a blind
spot when it comes to knowing where to buy them.

We had that problem in Warsaw. It seemed easier to walk everywhere
than work out how to buy bus and tram tickets.

Many places seem to assume visitors will use taxis for everything.

Little kiosks called RUCH sell them.

Them being sufficiently imprecise to non-Polish speakers to decide not
to bother. Or the kiosks weren't open. One or the other.

IIRC on some Polish trams you even need a separate ticket for your
bag.

Debrecen in Hungary has excellent information on ticketing options in
multiple languages at its tram stops. Unlike somewhere I've forgotten
where I once went, where the tourist-specific literature was only
available in the local language, which was Basque or Slovenian or
something else which visitors would be pretty unlikely to speak.

When I went to Charleroi the tram ticket office wouldn't sell me a day
ticket until an English-speaking native stepped in to help me. The
staff were convinced that I must have thought I was in Brussels, as
they thought no-one in their right mind would go to their city.

The Dutch Strippenkaart is in the process of being replaced by a
national all-modes smart card, but I believe it is delayed because of
various problems with it. Denmark has just awarded the same people a
contract for a national smart card.
--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

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In article ,
(Richard J.) wrote:

My parents in Putney in a much larger home pay a lot less council
Tax than I do in Cambridge. So I reckon I pay more to support TfL
through my general taxes than they do.

That's because they're in the London Borough of Wandsworth, famous for
setting a zero poll tax, and which still has a very low council tax
rate. I assume that by some quirk of government funding, LBW have
managed to get an extremely favourable deal. If your parents were
across the river in Fulham, their council tax would be 83% higher (or
90% higher if they're not subject to the Commons rate).

Yet total local government spending in Wandsworth is some 50% higher
than in Cambridge. It's corrupt.

I thought the Commons rate was banded by distance from the commons, BTW?
My parents have always paid but I thought not in the highest band.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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In article ,
(TKD) wrote:

An outside London ODTC is based on the travelcard price
plus whatever the rail company charges to the boundary
of Zone 6. The ODTC1-6 has gone up by 30p. The Zone 1
tube single doesn't even come in to the equation.

Has this changed? It used to be, the cost of a DR to
London (BR) plus a fixed amount, which just happened
to be slightly less than two single tube rides.
(IIRC 2 quid against 1.10, perhaps someone can
remember how long ago this was?)

Its been a cheap day return plus a one day travelcard for as
long as I can remember.

That doesn't stack up with what I've ever been charged from Cambridge.
When I started working here (I'm in Putney as I write) in 2001 a One Day
Travelcard from Cambridge was £1 more than a day return to King's Cross
or Liverpool Street, or 60p with the Network Card discount. Now, in
2005, the difference is £4, or £2.65 with the Network Card discount.

Explain that.

What you describe sounds like a season ticket to a London
terminal which includes a Zone 1 travelcard. This ticket is
still available.

Not what I'm referring to.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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In article ,
(tim \(moved to sweden\)) wrote:

"Colin Rosenstiel" wrote in message
...
In article ,
(Terry Harper) wrote:

On Fri, 7 Oct 2005 12:51 +0100 (BST), (Colin
Rosenstiel) wrote:

In article ,
(Roland Perry) wrote:

I was advised I needed two for a tram journey of about half a
mile. So perhaps that's the minimum. I walked. Like you, I have
a blind spot when it comes to knowing where to buy them.

We had that problem in Warsaw. It seemed easier to walk everywhere
than work out how to buy bus and tram tickets.

Little kiosks called RUCH sell them.

Them being sufficiently imprecise to non-Polish speakers to decide no
t
to bother. Or the kiosks weren't open. One or the other.

They are all over the place.

They are bright green.

They are open (almost) all hours.

Not when I tried one.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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In message , TKD
writes
Its economy does :)
Go North/East/South/West young man. Grow up a bit, then you, might be
worth listening to.
--
Clive

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In message , Phil Richards
writes
http://www.philrichards1.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk
You too can see how pretty and talented I am.
--
Clive