http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/downloads/...06-leaflet.pdf

The Family Travelcard, Tube Carnet, Single zone Travelcard seasons and
some New Deal tickets are being withdrawn. But a less obvious
disappearance is Oyster Prepay. It's now referred to as 'pay as you
go'!

Dominic

wrote:

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/downloads/...06-leaflet.pdf

The Family Travelcard, Tube Carnet, Single zone Travelcard seasons
and some New Deal tickets are being withdrawn. But a less obvious
disappearance is Oyster Prepay. It's now referred to as 'pay as you
go'!

That's crazy! It's not pay as you go, it's pay *before* you go.
Pre-Pay was a good name which accurately described the concept of paying
in advance for a number of journeys, as distinct from paying for each
journey in cash, which *is* pay-as-you-go. I suppose they're trying to
hide the fact that they will get lots of money up front, but in changing
the name they have just made the whole Oyster concept more difficult to
understand. I feel an e-mail to TfL coming on.
--
Richard J.
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"Richard J." wrote in message
o.uk...
wrote:

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/downloads/...06-leaflet.pdf

The Family Travelcard, Tube Carnet, Single zone Travelcard seasons
and some New Deal tickets are being withdrawn. But a less obvious
disappearance is Oyster Prepay. It's now referred to as 'pay as you
go'!

That's crazy! It's not pay as you go, it's pay *before* you go.

Isn't that how pay-as-you-go Mobile Phone's work then?

Mike

On Wed, 26 Oct 2005, Mike Hudgell wrote:

"Richard J." wrote in message
o.uk...
wrote:

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/downloads/...06-leaflet.pdf

The Family Travelcard, Tube Carnet, Single zone Travelcard seasons and
some New Deal tickets are being withdrawn. But a less obvious
disappearance is Oyster Prepay. It's now referred to as 'pay as you
go'!

That's crazy! It's not pay as you go, it's pay *before* you go.

Isn't that how pay-as-you-go Mobile Phone's work then?

Exactly. 'Pay as you go' has ceased to be a descriptive phrase, and is
now, thanks to mobile phones, an atomic symbol - a single word with spaces
in, essentially - which means 'you put credit on it ahead of time and then
spend that credit as you go'. I wouldn't be surprised if key-operated
electricity meters started being called pay-as-you-go as well.

tom

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"Richard J." wrote in message
o.uk...
wrote:

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/downloads/...06-leaflet.pdf

The Family Travelcard, Tube Carnet, Single zone Travelcard seasons
and some New Deal tickets are being withdrawn. But a less obvious
disappearance is Oyster Prepay. It's now referred to as 'pay as you
go'!

That's crazy! It's not pay as you go, it's pay *before* you go.
Pre-Pay was a good name which accurately described the concept of paying
in advance for a number of journeys, as distinct from paying for each
journey in cash, which *is* pay-as-you-go. I suppose they're trying to
hide the fact that they will get lots of money up front, but in changing
the name they have just made the whole Oyster concept more difficult to
understand. I feel an e-mail to TfL coming on.
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

Oh come on Richard. 'Pay As You Go' is common parlance now thanks to the
popular Mobile Phone payment mechanism.

Oyster Pre-Pay is exactly the same concept as mobile phone PAYG. It makes
absolute sense for TfL to describe it using a term that the general public
(excepting yourself perhaps) are totally comfortable with.

Colin

Colin wrote:
"Richard J." wrote in message
o.uk...
wrote:


http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/downloads/...06-leaflet.pdf

The Family Travelcard, Tube Carnet, Single zone Travelcard seasons
and some New Deal tickets are being withdrawn. But a less obvious
disappearance is Oyster Prepay. It's now referred to as 'pay as
you
go'!

That's crazy! It's not pay as you go, it's pay *before* you go.
Pre-Pay was a good name which accurately described the concept of
paying in advance for a number of journeys, as distinct from paying
for each journey in cash, which *is* pay-as-you-go. I suppose
they're trying to hide the fact that they will get lots of money up
front, but in changing the name they have just made the whole
Oyster concept more difficult to understand. I feel an e-mail to
TfL coming on.

Oh come on Richard. 'Pay As You Go' is common parlance now thanks
to the popular Mobile Phone payment mechanism.

Oyster Pre-Pay is exactly the same concept as mobile phone PAYG. It
makes absolute sense for TfL to describe it using a term that the
general public (excepting yourself perhaps) are totally comfortable
with.

Well, I must admit that the inconvenience of PAYG mobile phones is not
something that I have to put up with, having an Orange "Virgin EQ"
contract with zero rental and my (relatively few) call charges paid
monthly by direct debit. Sadly, Orange no longer offer this.

But I still feel that PAYG is a daft term for Oyster, since TfL want it
to be a replacement for cash fares which really are PAYG and don't have
a £3 initial charge.
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

Richard J. wrote:
But I still feel that PAYG is a daft term for Oyster, since TfL want it
to be a replacement for cash fares which really are PAYG and don't have
a £3 initial charge.

Depends how much you value your time.

Anyone more senior than a kitchen cleaner will spend £3 of their time a week
queuing to buy cash singles.

Raoul.

Raoul wrote:
Richard J. wrote:

But I still feel that PAYG is a daft term for Oyster, since TfL want it
to be a replacement for cash fares which really are PAYG and don't have
a £3 initial charge.


Depends how much you value your time.

Anyone more senior than a kitchen cleaner will spend £3 of their time a
week queuing to buy cash singles.


Value of time is always a bit of a challenge. Using your hourly wage is
reasonable enough, although for most people that is really an average
and not a marginal value of time. It is quite possible that someone who
earns more than that would still be willing to spend the extra time to
save a few pounds - it really depends what else they would be doing with
the time.

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But I still feel that PAYG is a daft term for Oyster, since TfL want it
to be a replacement for cash fares which really are PAYG and don't have
a £3 initial charge.

Perhaps cash fares will be rebranded as "Pay through the nose" from January.

The £3 deposit can be recouped from two journeys from next year so its hardly
a moot point.

Cash - 2 x Zone 2 (£3) singles = £6

Oyster - 2 x Zone 2 (£1) prepay = £2 (+ £3 deposit) = £5

Not only recouped but a pound saved.

On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 19:17:57 +0100, "TKD" wrote:

But I still feel that PAYG is a daft term for Oyster, since TfL want it
to be a replacement for cash fares which really are PAYG and don't have
a £3 initial charge.

Perhaps cash fares will be rebranded as "Pay through the nose" from January.

The £3 deposit can be recouped from two journeys from next year so its hardly
a moot point.

Cash - 2 x Zone 2 (£3) singles = £6

Oyster - 2 x Zone 2 (£1) prepay = £2 (+ £3 deposit) = £5

Not only recouped but a pound saved.

A very basic fact the anti-Oyster brigade seem incapable of
understanding!
--
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