On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:44:47 +0000, Tom Anderson
wrote:


I know - and capping also loses in the crucial midnight-to-0430 window,
too, and there are probably other issues which don't leap immediately to
mind. That's why i qualified 'need' with 'really' - these aren't huge
issues, although i admit that the NR issue is pretty big.

Capping is supposed to work from 0430 to 0430. Also, with the new
fares, you get a 50p discount if you choose to sacrifice National
Rail, although that could be argued to undermine the integrated manner
of the One Day Travelcard.

I know - and capping also loses in the crucial midnight-to-0430 window,
too, and there are probably other issues which don't leap immediately to
mind. That's why i qualified 'need' with 'really' - these aren't huge
issues, although i admit that the NR issue is pretty big.

Capping is supposed to work from 0430 to 0430. Also, with the new
fares, you get a 50p discount if you choose to sacrifice National
Rail, although that could be argued to undermine the integrated manner
of the One Day Travelcard.

Yes it does. In fact on the statement you get from Oyster detailing all
transactions for the last 3 months 1am is 25:00 and 2.15am is 26:15.
i.e. part of the previous day.

On Sun, 1 Jan 2006, TKD wrote:

I know - and capping also loses in the crucial midnight-to-0430
window, too, and there are probably other issues which don't leap
immediately to mind. That's why i qualified 'need' with 'really' -
these aren't huge issues, although i admit that the NR issue is pretty
big.

Capping is supposed to work from 0430 to 0430.

Yes it does. In fact on the statement you get from Oyster detailing all
transactions for the last 3 months 1am is 25:00 and 2.15am is 26:15.
i.e. part of the previous day.

Ah, sorry, my mistake.

Also, with the new fares, you get a 50p discount if you choose to
sacrifice National Rail, although that could be argued to undermine the
integrated manner of the One Day Travelcard.

Hmm. It's really that you get a 50p discount if you get your 1DTC through
Oyster pre-pay capping rather than on paper, with the sacrifice of NR
being a consequence of NR not supporting pre-pay, but it comes to much the
same thing. I don't think i buy the argument that this undermines
integration - everything that worked before works now, it's just that some
lucky punters (those sensible enough to live north of the river, mostly!)
will get a 50p bonus.

tom

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JRS: In article , dated Sun, 1
Jan 2006 11:40:39 local, seen in news:uk.transport.london, TKD
posted :

Yes it does. In fact on the statement you get from Oyster detailing all
transactions for the last 3 months 1am is 25:00 and 2.15am is 26:15.
i.e. part of the previous day.


So you're saying that Oyster take the day as being 04:30 to 28:29+ ?

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On Mon, 2 Jan 2006, Dr John Stockton wrote:

JRS: In article , dated Sun, 1
Jan 2006 11:40:39 local, seen in news:uk.transport.london, TKD
posted :

Yes it does. In fact on the statement you get from Oyster detailing all
transactions for the last 3 months 1am is 25:00 and 2.15am is 26:15.
i.e. part of the previous day.


So you're saying that Oyster take the day as being 04:30 to 28:29+ ?

For it to correctly capture the 1DTC behaviour, it would have to take it
as being 0000 to 2830 - with the last four and a half hours also being in
the next day (how does that work? nobody knows!). I believe it does act
like a real 1DTC, and therefore this is what it does. I don't really have
any evidence for this, though.

tom

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