"Tim Roll-Pickering" wrote in message
...
Given that many are written by researchers who have accessed the BBC's
files, checking and cross checking the studio dates, internal memos and so
forth. The recording schedules are in existance, the tape usages are, a
few of the early episodes transmitted from film recordings still exist in
the Film Library. The evidence is overwhelming.

I've often thought it amusing that so much paperwork is still kept in the
BBC archives about these shows, yet the shows themselves have been
lost/disposed of.


Daniel
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Daniel Bowen wrote:

I've often thought it amusing that so much paperwork is still kept in the
BBC archives about these shows, yet the shows themselves have been
lost/disposed of.

Yeah but from the perspective of the late 1960s/early 1970s the need for
paper trails was clear, the need to retain old programmes that were almost
certainly never going to be screened again and which were no longer sellable
was not.

In article ,
Daniel Bowen wrote:
"Tim Roll-Pickering" wrote in message
...
Given that many are written by researchers who have accessed the BBC's
files, checking and cross checking the studio dates, internal memos and so
forth. The recording schedules are in existance, the tape usages are, a
few of the early episodes transmitted from film recordings still exist in
the Film Library. The evidence is overwhelming.

I've often thought it amusing that so much paperwork is still kept in the
BBC archives about these shows, yet the shows themselves have been
lost/disposed of.

Well..

1. paper was cheaper than videotape, back then
2. there's only limited scope for re-using paper that's been written
on, whereas a wiped tape was immediately free for re-use
3. you'll need the documentation for accounting and expenses,
but you don't need the actual programme...

Taken together, I'd reckon those three factors would account for
most of the mismatch

--
Andy Breen ~ Not speaking on behalf of the University of Wales, Aberystwyth
Feng Shui: an ancient oriental art for extracting
money from the gullible (Martin Sinclair)

On Sun, 5 Feb 2006 21:23:03 -0000, "Tim Roll-Pickering"
wrote:

Chris Tolley wrote:

There was (so SWMBO tells me) a Doctor Who story set in a disused tube
stn,

From recollection three stories, though none feature disused stations.

Six, seven, or eight, depending on definitions, and how much actually
appears for it to count!

'The Dalek Invasion of Earth' made extensive use of the disused "Wood
Lane" station (also popular with 'The Tomorrow People'), just over the
road from TV Cent

http://www.cwgcuser.org.uk/personal/...mtv/dwdioe.htm

The film version featured an anachronistic "Embankment" station:

http://www.cwgcuser.org.uk/personal/...tv/d2150ad.htm

'The Chase' has a fleeting glimspe of "White City" station,
establishing Ian and Barbara's return to London:

http://www.cwgcuser.org.uk/personal/...v/dwthcase.htm

In "The Web of Fear" (1968) the TARDIS materialises in the tube and finds
the network shut down and London evacuated due to an invasion by robotic
Yeti. A number of tube stations are seen, but all scenes were recorded in
studio (though the sets were so convincing that London Underground believed
otherwise!).

Some filming in the Greenwich Foot Tunnel, but otherwise sets
representing "Covent Garden," "Charing Cross" (the current
"Embankment"), "South Kensington," "Piccadilly Circus," the
"Bank"-"Monument" escalator link, and the WW2 Deep Level Shelter under
"Goodge Street":

http://www.cwgcuser.org.uk/personal/...mtv/dwtwof.htm

London is evactuated again in 1974's "Invasion of the Dinosaurs", where the
monsters of the story's title have been transported back in time by renegade
scientists operating an a base beneath (I thin) Aldgate tube, accessed by a
lift in a broom cupboard.

Exteriors were shot at "Moorgate," but the station name is not
visible, although it was (presumably erroneously) on the SPFX model of
the same; the interior studio sets have LU roundels with a name
starting with "TRAF..." which could only be "Tragalgar Square" i.e.
the Bakerloo part of the current "Charing Cross." This makes perfect
sense in the context of it leading to the secret bunker under
Whitehall:

http://www.cwgcuser.org.uk/personal/...mtv/dwiotd.htm

'The Sunmakers' was part-filmed in the Deep Level Shelter under
"Camden Town" station:

http://www.cwgcuser.org.uk/personal/...lmtv/dwtsm.htm

The same location was also used in 'Survivors' ('The Lights of London'
#1&2, along with the Waterloo and City line platforms at "Bank"), and
the 'Blake's 7' episode 'Ultraworld' as the titular planet.

And in 1986's "The Trial of a Time Lord" the Doctor visits the future where
Earth has been devasted by a solar flare and survivors live in "Marb
station", a complex built in and beneath Marble Arch station (although the
set for the actual remains of the station bears little resemblence to Marble
Arch).

It will have to be a very dull day before I get round to going through
that story again!

Finally, the opening episode of the new series did have an indication
of an Underground station, but obviously completely fictional, it
being shot in Cardiff:

http://www.cwgcuser.org.uk/personal/...mtv/dwrose.htm

--
Nick Cooper

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The London Underground at War, and in Films & TV:
http://www.nickcooper.org.uk/

In message , Nick Cooper
writes
Exteriors were shot at "Moorgate," but the station name is not visible,
although it was (presumably erroneously) on the SPFX model of the same;
the interior studio sets have LU roundels with a name starting with
"TRAF..." which could only be "Tragalgar Square" i.e. the Bakerloo part
of the current "Charing Cross." This makes perfect sense in the
context of it leading to the secret bunker under
Whitehall:

In the later novelisation of Invasion of the Dinosaurs, the station in
question is Westminster.
--
Ian Jelf, MITG
Birmingham, UK

Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of England
http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk

On Tue, 7 Feb 2006 14:28:33 +0000, Ian Jelf
wrote:

In message , Nick Cooper
writes
Exteriors were shot at "Moorgate," but the station name is not visible,
although it was (presumably erroneously) on the SPFX model of the same;
the interior studio sets have LU roundels with a name starting with
"TRAF..." which could only be "Tragalgar Square" i.e. the Bakerloo part
of the current "Charing Cross." This makes perfect sense in the
context of it leading to the secret bunker under
Whitehall:

In the later novelisation of Invasion of the Dinosaurs, the station in
question is Westminster.

Yes, that is mentioned on the webpage, although of course it doesn't
really mean anything!
--
Nick Cooper

[Carefully remove the detonators from my e-mail address to reply!]

The London Underground at War, and in Films & TV:
http://www.nickcooper.org.uk/

Ian Jelf wrote:

In the later novelisation of Invasion of the Dinosaurs, the station in
question is Westminster.

True but the novelisations often change things - Malcolm Hulke, who wrote
this one, was one of the most notorious for altering details where
necessary.

Daniel Bowen wrote:

That's called (at least in some countries) "live to tape", and is still
common in news and current affairs.


I love this aspect of Doctor Who - I think it contributes to the
aesthetics. Live TV drama is pretty much nonexistent these days, but I
find the 'almost live' quality in classic Who very exciting and
spontaneous. I get kind of a thrill when things go wrong - I've been
watching 'The Aztecs,' and it cracks me up no end when Hartnell and
William Russell keep stepping on each other's lines in Episode Two. I
understand why they wouldn't do 'live to tape' in this day and age, but
I miss it!

Michelle

In message c.uk
"Alan J. Flavell" wrote:

On Tue, 7 Feb 2006, Ian Jelf wrote:

I was at a loose end in South Kensington for a couple of hours last
week and went along to the Science Museum to pay my respects to
"Rocket". While mooching around I actually stumbled on one of these
early (very early as it turned out) Ampex Machines.

If anyone else is old enough to grok the word-play - I once
saw a cartoon of the VERA equipment at the BBC, with the caption
"Someone isn't using Ampex".

Hmmm!

--
Graeme Wall
This address is not read, substitute trains for rail.
Transport Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail/index.html

Graeme Wall wrote:

The 10 second run-up of a tape machine (or telecine) to achieve sync was a
problem until electronics were devised to enable the machines to go from play
to record on the fly at a predetermined point. Eventually Ampex devised a
quad machine that would do instant starts, first used on the Andre Previn
concerts.

Was that the AVR1?