On Tue, 14 Feb 2006, Colin wrote:

They have 'validators' on the platform (Think Oyster Card Pads without
gates).

So presumably on-train ticket examining staff will need oyster card
readers?

Alan J. Flavell wrote:
On Tue, 14 Feb 2006, Colin wrote:

They have 'validators' on the platform (Think Oyster Card Pads without
gates).

So presumably on-train ticket examining staff will need oyster card
readers?

I believe many of the London TOC examining staff already do, so they
can tell whether the Oyster you wave at them is really a Zone 1-6
travelcard or just a prepay with 10p on it...

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On Tue, 14 Feb 2006, Colin wrote:

They have 'validators' on the platform (Think Oyster Card Pads without
gates).

So presumably on-train ticket examining staff will need oyster card
readers?

Not necessarily - they can put gates on all of the other stations on the
line so you would have to validate to get off anywhere but Watford.
Therefore if you wanted to be charged the correct fare (or get out at these
stations) then you would make sure you had swiped in at a Watford Junction
validator.

Similarly if you did not validate when you got off at Watford Junction then
you could be overcharged for your journey.

Notwithstanding the above, on-train staff already have oyster card readers
in the SWT area, so it's not a new concept.

On 14 Feb 2006 14:24:11 -0800, "jonmorris"
wrote:

.. rather than challenge them to a dual?

Well, quite. I was just amazed that this was in the middle of the day -
in full view of everyone, including the guard on the Silverlink train
no doubt.

I've never seen a Silverlink Metro guard emerge from the rear cab (on
the NLL/WLL/Euston-Watford), except to change ends. In fact it was a
while before I even realised the trains weren't DOO.

On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 01:08:36 +0000, asdf
wrote:

On 14 Feb 2006 14:24:11 -0800, "jonmorris"
wrote:

.. rather than challenge them to a dual?

Well, quite. I was just amazed that this was in the middle of the day -
in full view of everyone, including the guard on the Silverlink train
no doubt.

I've never seen a Silverlink Metro guard emerge from the rear cab (on
the NLL/WLL/Euston-Watford), except to change ends. In fact it was a
while before I even realised the trains weren't DOO.

Euston to Watford has been OPO for about 20 years.
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On 14 Feb 2006 14:37:40 -0800, "MIG"
wrote:

So does this all mean that TfL simply takes over the existing
franchise, with 313s and 508s still going Euston to Watford and
Bakerloo still going from Queens Park to Harrow?

Initially, yes. The press release says new trains will be delivered
within 5 years (it's not clear whether that's 5 years from the date of
the press release or the transfer of control).

That's not quite in line with previous discussion of the Bakerloo
taking over the Watford service.

According to the previous discussion, that's supposed to happen in
2010.

I had visions of maybe relaying the fourth rail to Watford, and (less
likely) keeping a service to South Hampsted and Kilburn High Road by
installing a connection east of Queens Park, allowing trains from
Euston to call at those stations, then use the unused platforms at
Queens Park to allow for interchange, and then proceed semifast to
Watford or beyond.

I take it you're assuming the Watford-Euston DC service will be axed.
Even if it is, South Hampstead and Kilburn High Road would probably
stay open because of the proposed Queens Park to Stratford service -
thus becoming "orbital" stations. Passengers for central London would
be expected to walk to Swiss Cottage and Kilburn Park respectively
(although if they're going to Euston it will take them a lot longer to
get there).

On 14 Feb 2006 15:45:53 -0800, "TheOneKEA"
wrote:

Whats the betting that Zone 6 will move out to Watford Junction because of
this?

No need. Watford Met is in Zone A, along with Rickmansworth and Croxley
Met. It would be simple to extend the lettered zones north of Harrow
and Wealdstone to cover the remainder of the DC line.

I don't think it's all that simple - you'd have to deal with the fact
that tickets would (I assume) be inter-valid with Silverlink County.

For single/return fares it's not too bad - the situation at Harrow &
Wealdstone could be extended (i.e. charge the usual Oyster PAYG fares
for the lettered zones, with NR fares applying north of Kenton for
paper tickets - LU paper tickets not being valid).

However, seasons would be tricker - you'd have to reconcile the fact
that an annual Zones 1-A Travelcard season costs £1760 with the fact
that a Watford Junction to All Zones NR season costs £2372. I suppose
Watford Jn could be put in Zone D, but that would push up the price of
local journeys.

TheOneKEA wrote:
Colin wrote:
They have 'validators' on the platform (Think Oyster Card Pads without
gates).

Whats the betting that Zone 6 will move out to Watford Junction because of
this?

No need. Watford Met is in Zone A, along with Rickmansworth and Croxley
Met. It would be simple to extend the lettered zones north of Harrow
and Wealdstone to cover the remainder of the DC line.

Well it'll have to be sorted out when the Met extends to Watford
Junction after the Croxley Rail Link is completed... ;-)

(I'm not holding my breath, btw)

THC

Colin wrote in uk.transport.london on Wed, 15 Feb 2006 00:10:06 -0000
:

Notwithstanding the above, on-train staff already have oyster card readers
in the SWT area, so it's not a new concept.

They have had them on WAGN for some time now, though to start with an
Oystercard with a photocard was regarded by some WAGN RPIs as valid
without checking with the reader, presumably on the basis that it
looked as if it ought to have a season ticket on it?

--
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- a walking tour or outing, esp. of the self-conscious kind
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Colin wrote in uk.transport.london on Wed, 15 Feb 2006 00:10:06 -0000
:

Notwithstanding the above, on-train staff already have oyster card readers
in the SWT area, so it's not a new concept.

They have had them on WAGN for some time now, though to start with an
Oystercard with a photocard was regarded by some WAGN RPIs as valid
without checking with the reader, presumably on the basis that it
looked as if it ought to have a season ticket on it?

The silverstink's ticket-checking guard-fellas also have the readers, so if
they can manage it, it's clearly not a massive issue :-P

--
hike
- a walking tour or outing, esp. of the self-conscious kind
Chambers 20th Century Dictionary