So says the press release from TfL...

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(31 March 2006)

*Mayor welcomes Oyster commitment in new rail franchise*

Oyster ticketing on rail services in London came a step closer today
with the news that it will be required as part of the new South West
Main Line franchise.

The invitation to tender (ITT) for the franchise was today issued by
the Department for Transport (DfT) and it specifically requires the
successful bidder to provide Oyster validating machines at all London
stations by 2009.

The franchise is currently managed by the train operator South West
Trains and includes routes out of Waterloo station to key London
stations such as Kingston, Richmond and Wimbledon and destinations on
the south coast.

Mayor of London Ken Livingstone said: "It is vital we have an
integrated ticketing system between mainline rail and the Tube and bus
network so that passengers can enjoy the full benefits and convenience
of Oyster.

"This is a major step towards fully integrated ticketing in London."

Ian Brown, Managing Director TfL London Rail, said: "TfL's vision for
rail is about putting passengers first.

"Five million people already use Oyster every day in London. This means
that from 2009, passengers on the on the South West Main Line will be
able to take Oyster ticketing integrated with transport modes across
London including the Tube, bus and DLR.
TfL recommendations

"We are pleased to see the inclusion of a number of TfL's
recommendations in this franchise specification. We will continue to
work to make rail services that serve London an integrated part of the
transport network."

TfL welcomes the inclusion of its recommendations, which were made
during the DfT's consultation for the South West franchise in January
this year.

The specification outlined demands that the successful bidder for the
franchise will:

* Provide Oyster validating or ITSO equipment at all stations on the
South West Main Line franchise by 2009

* Work towards ticket gates at Waterloo - to improve security and deter
fare evasion


As one of the stakeholders for the consultation, TfL presented its
recommendations to the DfT to secure improvements for passengers and
industry in London, and to ensure that their needs are met in the
franchise for the short-, medium- and long-term.

Oyster ticketing will also be available on the North London Railway
from Autumn 2007, when the line will be transferred to TfL. The
franchise is currently operated by Silverlink Metro.

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This is good news in my books. One day in the not-too-distant future
Oyster Pre Pay will be accepted on all rail services in London, whilst
I suspect that a nationwide rail smartcard system will remain a pipe
dream for a lot longer.

In article . com,
(Mizter T) wrote:

So says the press release from TfL...

----------
(31 March 2006)

*Mayor welcomes Oyster commitment in new rail franchise*

Oyster ticketing on rail services in London came a step closer today
with the news that it will be required as part of the new South West
Main Line franchise.

[snip]

Anyone know if this will also mean zonal fares on SWT? I'd love to be
able to go to Putney as well as East Putney on a Cambridge-U12 Saver
Return.

That said a single from Putney to Waterloo this morning was only £1.60
(with Network Card discount). It was also faster and took me closer to
my destination than a £1.50 Oyster fare would have got me from East
Putney.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
In article . com,
(Mizter T) wrote:

So says the press release from TfL...

----------
(31 March 2006)

*Mayor welcomes Oyster commitment in new rail franchise*

Oyster ticketing on rail services in London came a step closer today
with the news that it will be required as part of the new South West
Main Line franchise.

[snip]

Anyone know if this will also mean zonal fares on SWT? I'd love to be
able to go to Putney as well as East Putney on a Cambridge-U12 Saver
Return.

That said a single from Putney to Waterloo this morning was only £1.60
(with Network Card discount). It was also faster and took me closer to
my destination than a £1.50 Oyster fare would have got me from East
Putney.

Zonal fares will be rolled out before Oyster, potentially next year
(according to previous DfT murmurings). However, having read the SWT
invitation to tender more carefully, Oyster PAYG wouldn't be introduced
on SWT until at least January 2009, when ticket gates are expected to be
installed at Waterloo.

SWT ITT: http://tinyurl.com/kybyj

--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

"Dave Arquati" wrote in message
...
Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
In article . com,
(Mizter T) wrote:

So says the press release from TfL...

----------
(31 March 2006)

*Mayor welcomes Oyster commitment in new rail franchise*

Oyster ticketing on rail services in London came a step closer today
with the news that it will be required as part of the new South West
Main Line franchise.

[snip]

Anyone know if this will also mean zonal fares on SWT? I'd love to be
able to go to Putney as well as East Putney on a Cambridge-U12 Saver
Return.

That said a single from Putney to Waterloo this morning was only £1.60
(with Network Card discount). It was also faster and took me closer to my
destination than a £1.50 Oyster fare would have got me from East Putney.

Zonal fares will be rolled out before Oyster, potentially next year
(according to previous DfT murmurings). However, having read the SWT
invitation to tender more carefully, Oyster PAYG wouldn't be introduced on
SWT until at least January 2009, when ticket gates are expected to be
installed at Waterloo.

That'll be fun in the morning rush

tim

destination than a £1.50 Oyster fare would have got me from East Putney.

Zonal fares will be rolled out before Oyster, potentially next year
(according to previous DfT murmurings). However, having read the SWT
invitation to tender more carefully, Oyster PAYG wouldn't be introduced on
SWT until at least January 2009, when ticket gates are expected to be
installed at Waterloo.

That'll be fun in the morning rush

tim


What would be logical is to move the LUL gate line so that interchange
via the underpass would not need passing through any gatelines, while
providing validators for PAYG.

"Matthew Dickinson" wrote in message
...

destination than a £1.50 Oyster fare would have got me from East
Putney.

Zonal fares will be rolled out before Oyster, potentially next year
(according to previous DfT murmurings). However, having read the SWT
invitation to tender more carefully, Oyster PAYG wouldn't be introduced
on
SWT until at least January 2009, when ticket gates are expected to be
installed at Waterloo.

That'll be fun in the morning rush

tim


What would be logical is to move the LUL gate line so that interchange
via the underpass would not need passing through any gatelines, while
providing validators for PAYG.

I'd though of this, but it won't work because the majority of pax arriving
at Waterloo arrive from somewhere outside Ken's area of influence.

tim

tim (back in SY) wrote:

Zonal fares will be rolled out before Oyster, potentially next year
(according to previous DfT murmurings). However, having read the SWT
invitation to tender more carefully, Oyster PAYG wouldn't be introduced
on SWT until at least January 2009, when ticket gates are expected to be
installed at Waterloo.

That'll be fun in the morning rush

Indeed. Victoria just about manages gates, but has a different design that
lends itself to them. Similarly Liverpool Street has natural places. But
where would one put the fare gates in the concourse/platforms at Waterloo?
The entrances to most of the platforms are too narrow.

On Sun, 2 Apr 2006, Tim Roll-Pickering wrote:

tim (back in SY) wrote:

Zonal fares will be rolled out before Oyster, potentially next year
(according to previous DfT murmurings). However, having read the SWT
invitation to tender more carefully, Oyster PAYG wouldn't be
introduced on SWT until at least January 2009, when ticket gates are
expected to be installed at Waterloo.

That'll be fun in the morning rush

Indeed. Victoria just about manages gates, but has a different design
that lends itself to them. Similarly Liverpool Street has natural
places. But where would one put the fare gates in the
concourse/platforms at Waterloo? The entrances to most of the platforms
are too narrow.

Could there not be a gateline a few metres back from the platforms?

tom

--
You have to give up

"tim \(back in SY\)" wrote:

Zonal fares will be rolled out before Oyster, potentially next year
(according to previous DfT murmurings). However, having read the SWT
invitation to tender more carefully, Oyster PAYG wouldn't be introduced on
SWT until at least January 2009, when ticket gates are expected to be
installed at Waterloo.

That'll be fun in the morning rush

Why? Plenty of other London terminals seem to be able to cope with
them.

Roy

Roy Stilling wrote:

That'll be fun in the morning rush

Why? Plenty of other London terminals seem to be able to cope with
them.

Some do but off the top of my head:

* Victoria and Liverpool Street both have a series of alcoves and clusters
of platforms that allow for bunches of gates to work.
* Fenchurch Street and Charing Cross are both a relatively small terminals
which again have natural gaps.
* Paddington has wide platforms and wide access points but still has some
gaps in provision.
* Marylebone has a natural point between the main concourse and the
platforms in which barriers are installed.
* London Bridge has the barriers at both entrances to the tunnel under the
high platforms and, from recollection, a strip beyond the barriers allowing
people to move between whichever of the low platforms they want.

From recollection both King's Cross and Euston generally don't have barriers
apart from a few on the individual platforms. I forget what Canon Street
has.

For barriers to work at Waterloo you need a much wider gap between the
current gate and the tracks so that crowds focused on individual platforms
can use the gates for several. At the moment that isn't there - indeed the
current entrances to the platforms are terrible for rush hour - and unlike a
lot of the other stations there aren't a lot of natural points one could put
the gates into, hence they haven't gone up yet.