The City Of London Police have announced that they will prosecute not only
drivers who go through the final stop line when the traffic light is reds,
but also drivers who go through the initial stop line before the cycle box.
This makes it noticeably harder to stop legally during the amber phase. I
don't see how the police can do this without lengthening the amber phase to
compensate, but even that doesn't really help. I think the only fair
solution is to remove the final stop line - since cyclists have no license
plates, the final stop line no longer serves any purpose except to allow the
prosecution of drivers who went through the meaningful initial stop line
during the amber phase, which will of course increase scamera revenue, at
the expense of large amounts of tax revenue when professional drivers lose
their licences in droves (drove being the past tense of drive.... hehehe).

Incidentally, I waited immediately behind the cycle box yesterday for the
green light for turning right from Silvertown Way to George Street, and
after about five minutes the driver behind tapped on my window and informed
me that the sensor only activated if I pulled my car forward onto the green
box!

On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 23:51:48 +0100, "John Rowland"
wrote:


The City Of London Police have announced that they will prosecute not only
drivers who go through the final stop line when the traffic light is reds,
but also drivers who go through the initial stop line before the cycle box.

Of course they are. The stop line for cars is before the cycle box.
The cycle box is for cycles.

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James Farrar
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On Fri, 28 Apr 2006 00:31:58 +0100, James Farrar wrote:

On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 23:51:48 +0100, "John Rowland"
wrote:


The City Of London Police have announced that they will prosecute not only
drivers who go through the final stop line when the traffic light is reds,
but also drivers who go through the initial stop line before the cycle box.

Of course they are. The stop line for cars is before the cycle box.
The cycle box is for cycles.

And cycles are for ****wits, and thus we close the circle, grasshopper.

[ngs trimmed]

Steve Firth wrote:
On Fri, 28 Apr 2006 00:31:58 +0100, James Farrar wrote:

On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 23:51:48 +0100, "John Rowland"
wrote:


The City Of London Police have announced that they will prosecute not only
drivers who go through the final stop line when the traffic light is reds,
but also drivers who go through the initial stop line before the cycle box.

Of course they are. The stop line for cars is before the cycle box.
The cycle box is for cycles.

And cycles are for ****wits, and thus we close the circle, grasshopper.

*boggle*

checks newsgroups line

realization dawns

John, I thought better of you... you *know* xposting to uk.transport is
borderline trolling!

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Larry Lard
Replies to group please

Of course they are. The stop line for cars is before the cycle box.
The cycle box is for cycles.

And cycles are for ****wits, and thus we close the circle, grasshopper.


And coronary heart disease will kill you but not ****wit cyclists.

"Heracles Pollux" wrote in message

Of course they are. The stop line for cars is before the cycle box.
The cycle box is for cycles.

And cycles are for ****wits, and thus we close the circle, grasshopper.


And coronary heart disease will kill you but not ****wit cyclists.




Not true. In 2004 there were 3 fatalities in pedestrian versus cyclists
accidents. 2 cyclists died and 1 pedestrian.

Ian

On Sat, 29 Apr 2006 15:26:11 +0100, Heracles Pollux wrote:

Of course they are. The stop line for cars is before the cycle box.
The cycle box is for cycles.

And cycles are for ****wits, and thus we close the circle, grasshopper.


And coronary heart disease will kill you but not ****wit cyclists.

Heck two fallacies in one statement. What a clown you are.

"John Rowland" wrote in message

The City Of London Police have announced that they will prosecute not only
drivers who go through the final stop line when the traffic light is reds,
but also drivers who go through the initial stop line before the cycle
box. This makes it noticeably harder to stop legally during the amber
phase. I don't see how the police can do this without lengthening the
amber phase to compensate, but even that doesn't really help. I think the
only fair solution is to remove the final stop line - since cyclists have
no license plates, the final stop line no longer serves any purpose except
to allow the prosecution of drivers who went through the meaningful
initial stop line during the amber phase, which will of course increase
scamera revenue, at the expense of large amounts of tax revenue when
professional drivers lose their licences in droves (drove being the past
tense of drive.... hehehe).


The amber phase is 3 seconds long. The distance between the motor vehicle
and bicycle stop lines is usually about 10 feet. If you are approaching the
lights at 30 mph that is 44 feet/sec. So we are talking about stopping a
quarter of a second earlier. If you have difficulty stopping at the correct
line you shouldn't be driving.

Ian

Ian wrote in
:

If you have
difficulty stopping at the correct line you shouldn't be driving.

In my experience, in wet weather (when the road is shiny) or at night, it's
very hard to see that there's a cycle box from a distance so you plan your
braking based on the assumption that the stop line is level with the traffic
light pole. Then as you get closer, you suddenly discover that you need to
stop further back that you'd anticipated.

The solution to this is to move the traffic light poles back so they are
level with the car stop line.

In ,
Martin Underwood said:
Ian wrote in
:

If you have
difficulty stopping at the correct line you shouldn't be driving.

In my experience, in wet weather (when the road is shiny) or at
night, it's very hard to see that there's a cycle box from a distance
so you plan your braking based on the assumption that the stop line
is level with the traffic light pole. Then as you get closer, you
suddenly discover that you need to stop further back that you'd
anticipated.
The solution to this is to move the traffic light poles back so they
are level with the car stop line.

Which would permit cyclists to go through a red light legitimately and then
what the self-righteous car drivers have to huff and puff about?