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Roland Perry July 3rd 06 09:46 AM

St Johns Wood or St John's Wood?
 
In message , at 10:31:02 on
Mon, 3 Jul 2006, Richard M Willis
remarked:
I would call our currency pounds xor pence.


So:

£1 coin is a "One pounds coin" and
£10.50 is either "Ten point five pounds", or "One thousand and 50 pence"

I don't think any of this is in general usage.
--
Roland Perry

James Farrar July 3rd 06 09:56 AM

St Johns Wood or St John's Wood?
 
On Mon, 3 Jul 2006 10:31:02 +0100, "Richard M Willis"
wrote:


"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at 09:16:52 on
Mon, 3 Jul 2006, Richard M Willis
remarked:
What is wrong with "one pence coins" ?


Linguistically should be "One Penny coins", and whatever the merits of
an argument that the currency is called Pounds and Pence (of which the
coin has a value of Zero pounds and one pence), the coin *does* have
"One Penny" written on it.


Hmm. I measure things in metres, centimetres and millimetres. I don't call
this "m AND cm AND mm". Consequently, I would call our currency pounds xor
pence.

"penny" does not exist as far as I am concerned.


Simply wrong. It's the singular form of pence in the same way that
pound is the singular form of pounds.

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Richard M Willis July 3rd 06 10:16 AM

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"Roland Perry" wrote in message

£1 coin is a "One pounds coin" and
£10.50 is either "Ten point five pounds", or "One thousand and 50 pence"

Yes. Those are all valid.

I don't think any of this is in general usage.

Probably correct.

Richard [in SG19]



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Richard M Willis July 3rd 06 10:18 AM

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"James Farrar" wrote in message

Simply wrong. It's the singular form of pence in the same way that
pound is the singular form of pounds.


"penny" is the singular form of "pence", so that "pence" is inherently
plural ?! I didn't know that. In fact, I didn't know that units of
measurement *had* plurals !

zero pence, one pence, two pence, .. in the same
way
as
zero centimetre, one centimetre, two centimetre.

Richard [in SG19]



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Paul Terry July 3rd 06 11:20 AM

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In message , thoss
writes

Those apostrophes are fine. But I also have, dating from an earlier
age, Philips' Modern School Atlas, published by George Philip & Son Ltd.
I wonder what that one is doing there.


George Philip & Son used the forms Philip's and Philips' totally
interchangeably for a very long time. I even have a copy of their 1862
London map which is entitled "Philip's New Plan of London" on the map
itself, but "Philips' Guide to London" on its cover.

There never has been much consistency in the use of the possessive
apostrophe in the case of words ending in s.
--
Paul Terry

Chris Tolley July 3rd 06 12:05 PM

St Johns Wood or St John's Wood?
 
Richard M Willis wrote:

"James Farrar" wrote in message

Simply wrong. It's the singular form of pence in the same way that
pound is the singular form of pounds.


"penny" is the singular form of "pence", so that "pence" is inherently
plural ?! I didn't know that.


Isn't learning wonderful.

We need the word penny (which, just to extend your education, also has
the plural "pennies") so that we can communicate properly.

Thus, we can say:

I have one penny. - this is how much money I have.
I have a one penny coin. - this is the form it is in.

And

I have two pence - this is how much money I have

I have two pennies/I have two one penny coins/I have a two pence coin.
- to indicate the form it is in.

zero centimetre, one centimetre, two centimetre.


Arguable. Perhaps correct in technical documents, but to TMOTCO, it's
zero centimetres, one centimetre, two centimetres.
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thoss July 3rd 06 01:06 PM

St Johns Wood or St John's Wood?
 
On Mon, 3 Jul 2006 Roland Perry wrote:

In message , at 10:31:02 on
Mon, 3 Jul 2006, Richard M Willis
remarked:
I would call our currency pounds xor pence.


So:

£1 coin is a "One pounds coin" and
£10.50 is either "Ten point five pounds", or "One thousand and 50 pence"

I don't think any of this is in general usage.


Or "Ten guineas". (But that's not in general usage either).
--
Thoss

James Farrar July 3rd 06 09:38 PM

St Johns Wood or St John's Wood?
 
On Mon, 3 Jul 2006 11:18:56 +0100, "Richard M Willis"
wrote:


"James Farrar" wrote in message

Simply wrong. It's the singular form of pence in the same way that
pound is the singular form of pounds.


"penny" is the singular form of "pence", so that "pence" is inherently
plural ?! I didn't know that.


You learn something every day.

In fact, I didn't know that units of measurement *had* plurals !

zero pence, one pence, two pence, .. in the same
way
as
zero centimetre, one centimetre, two centimetre.


London and Paris are 211 mile apart, are they?

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James Farrar July 3rd 06 09:41 PM

St Johns Wood or St John's Wood?
 
On Mon, 03 Jul 2006 12:05:39 GMT, Chris Tolley
wrote:

Richard M Willis wrote:

zero centimetre, one centimetre, two centimetre.


Arguable. Perhaps correct in technical documents, but to TMOTCO, it's
zero centimetres, one centimetre, two centimetres.


Technical documents would always abbreviate.

Describing a length as "zero centimetres" is redundant, incidentally;
if the length is zero it's zero whatever the unit and thus is probably
best phrased as "zero length", depending on context.

--
James Farrar
. @gmail.com

Adrian July 3rd 06 09:46 PM

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James Farrar ) gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying :

Describing a length as "zero centimetres" is redundant, incidentally;
if the length is zero it's zero whatever the unit and thus is probably
best phrased as "zero length", depending on context.


I think it's fairly safe to say that "zero miles" may very well cover a
wider range of zero than "zero microns".


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