St Johns Wood or St John's Wood?
 

On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 10:49:14 +0100, Richard M Willis wrote:

E.g. Totteridge and Whetstone is called simply Totteridge on the actual
station; there is no mention of "and Whetstone" in the station's
name anywhere at that station other than on the system-wide maps.

It says "& Whetstone" at least on the outside of the station building:

http://www.london-underground.de/alb...ne_station.jpg

St Johns Wood or St John's Wood?
 

"Paul Terry" wrote in message But Barons
Court is an exception - it was a name invented just over 100

years ago. It didn't have an apostrophe then, and there is no real
reason to add one now.

Indeed, I seem to remember being told that there never was an
actual Baron (fictional or otherwise) after which the place/station
was named: they just called it that to p*** off the people one station
up the line.

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"thoss" wrote in message

Have you ever seen a green parson?

Yes. The parson at the place where I used to live dutifully grew
his own veggies, composted the waste therefrom, never used styrofoam
cups, and had no car.

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"asdf" wrote in message
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On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 10:49:14 +0100, Richard M Willis wrote:

E.g. Totteridge and Whetstone is called simply Totteridge on the actual
station; there is no mention of "and Whetstone" in the station's
name anywhere at that station other than on the system-wide maps.

It says "& Whetstone" at least on the outside of the station building:

It does ?
I shall have to go and see this. It never used to when I lived the
just "Totteridge".

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John B wrote:
wrote:

Mark Brader wrote:
Although, the anomalies on the Underground are curious!

Have a look at the following, PLACE / Station name anomalies:

EARLS COURT / Earl's Court
COLLIER'S WOOD / Colliers Wood
ST. JOHN'S WOOD / St. Johns Wood

In the foregoing, all except Earl's Court, the Underground station has
omitted a necessary apostrophe.

Just out of interest, where did you get the capitalised place names
from? Merton Council spells Colliers Wood without an apostrophe. And
Westminster Council spells St John's Wood both ways (as does LUL).

I got it from my Geographer's A to Z.

And, also:

BARONS COURT / Barons Court (not so much an anomaly as simply both
being wrong, with the absence of an apostrophe)
PARSONS GREEN / Parsons Green (ditto)

"To court" is a verb, and barons is a legitimate plural...having
"green" as a verb would be pushing it a bit, though.


John, I think you misunderstand the purpose of the apostrophe. The
Court is the Court of the Earl, hence Earl' Court; likewise the Green
is that of the Parson, hence Parson's Green. They are both nouns.

Whether Baron is singular or plural (Barons), either requires an
apostrophe!

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Marc.

St Johns Wood or St John's Wood?
 

James Farrar wrote:
On 21 Jun 2006 01:34:59 -0700, "
wrote:

Have a look at the following, PLACE / Station name anomalies:

EARLS COURT / Earl's Court
BARONS COURT / Barons Court (not so much an anomaly as simply both
being wrong, with the absence of an apostrophe)

But "Baron's Court Road".

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Well spotted, James!

Marc.

St Johns Wood or St John's Wood?
 

John Rowland wrote:
John B wrote:
wrote:

BARONS COURT / Barons Court (not so much an anomaly as simply both
being wrong, with the absence of an apostrophe)
PARSONS GREEN / Parsons Green (ditto)

"To court" is a verb, and barons is a legitimate plural...having
"green" as a verb would be pushing it a bit, though.

You can write "persons unknown" or "malice aforethought", so why not
"parsons green"?

Because the green is that of the parson, i.e. it belongs (or
historically did) belong to the parson whose church is on its Western
side, hence a possessive noun, requiring an apostrophe.

"Persons unknown" is not a possessive noun, i.e. the "unknown" is not
the property of the "persons", The word "unknown" in this context is an
adjective, simply describing the type of persons, i.e. "unknown
persons".

I'm not sure what maliceaforethought (apart from being a rather ugly
combination and probably gramatically wrong, but accepted through
common usage) has to do with it!

Marc.

St Johns Wood or St John's Wood?
 

wrote in message

John, I think you misunderstand the purpose of the apostrophe. The
Court is the Court of the Earl, hence Earl' Court; likewise the Green
is that of the Parson, hence Parson's Green. They are both nouns.

Whether Baron is singular or plural (Barons), either requires an
apostrophe!

Indeed. However one uses an apostrophe (or doesn't have one), it
must be consistent with the station name being a NOUN PHRASE !

A station can not be called "Everything in the garden is green and lovely"
but it can be called "Saddam's Bomb Shelter".

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Richard M Willis wrote:

However one uses an apostrophe (or doesn't have one), it
must be consistent with the station name being a NOUN PHRASE !

A station can not be called "Everything in the garden is green and
lovely"

Why not? About five tube stations are named after pubs, and a pub called
"Everything in the garden is green and
lovely" is not too hard to imagine... or is it? Surely some pub names are
not noun phrases?

St Johns Wood or St John's Wood?
 

wrote:
Have a look at the following, PLACE / Station name anomalies:

EARLS COURT / Earl's Court
COLLIER'S WOOD / Colliers Wood
ST. JOHN'S WOOD / St. Johns Wood

In the foregoing, all except Earl's Court, the Underground station has
omitted a necessary apostrophe.

Just out of interest, where did you get the capitalised place names
from? Merton Council spells Colliers Wood without an apostrophe. And
Westminster Council spells St John's Wood both ways (as does LUL).

I got it from my Geographer's A to Z.

Fairy snuff. Just goes to show deep the lack of consensus on how the
names are spelt is (despite the obvious grammatical correctness of
"Collier's Wood" if it were a phrase rather than a name).

And, also:

BARONS COURT / Barons Court (not so much an anomaly as simply both
being wrong, with the absence of an apostrophe)
PARSONS GREEN / Parsons Green (ditto)

"To court" is a verb, and barons is a legitimate plural...having
"green" as a verb would be pushing it a bit, though.


John, I think you misunderstand the purpose of the apostrophe. The
Court is the Court of the Earl, hence Earl' Court; likewise the Green
is that of the Parson, hence Parson's Green. They are both nouns.

Whether Baron is singular or plural (Barons), either requires an
apostrophe!


I agree - was just having fun. "Barons court, and colliers would given
half a chance", etc. The real answer is very much Paul Terry's one
downthread:
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk....ce1c1e405b9ecf

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