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St Johns Wood or St John's Wood?
"John B" wrote in message
oups.com... wrote: Mark Brader wrote: Although, the anomalies on the Underground are curious! Have a look at the following, PLACE / Station name anomalies: EARLS COURT / Earl's Court COLLIER'S WOOD / Colliers Wood ST. JOHN'S WOOD / St. Johns Wood In the foregoing, all except Earl's Court, the Underground station has omitted a necessary apostrophe. Just out of interest, where did you get the capitalised place names from? Merton Council spells Colliers Wood without an apostrophe. And Westminster Council spells St John's Wood both ways (as does LUL). The local football team, Colliers Wood United is spelt everywhere without an apostrophe. -- Richard |
St Johns Wood or St John's Wood?
On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 19:33:46 +0100, "Richard Rundle"
wrote: "John B" wrote in message roups.com... wrote: Mark Brader wrote: Although, the anomalies on the Underground are curious! Have a look at the following, PLACE / Station name anomalies: EARLS COURT / Earl's Court COLLIER'S WOOD / Colliers Wood ST. JOHN'S WOOD / St. Johns Wood In the foregoing, all except Earl's Court, the Underground station has omitted a necessary apostrophe. Just out of interest, where did you get the capitalised place names from? Merton Council spells Colliers Wood without an apostrophe. And Westminster Council spells St John's Wood both ways (as does LUL). The local football team, Colliers Wood United is spelt everywhere without an apostrophe. Speaking of football teams, reminds me of the bizareness with Borehamwood (or is it Boreham Wood?) -- James Farrar . @gmail.com |
St Johns Wood or St John's Wood?
"thoss" wrote in message Yes, but if plural it should be Barons' Court. What sort of Baron is it, if he shares a court with other Barons ? If you, as a Baron, don't have a court of your own, you're not a real Baron. Richard [n SG19] -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
St Johns Wood or St John's Wood?
Richard M Willis wrote:
"thoss" wrote in message Yes, but if plural it should be Barons' Court. What sort of Baron is it, if he shares a court with other Barons ? If you, as a Baron, don't have a court of your own, you're not a real Baron. Maybe it's a tennis court where all the barons play each other... while being watched by green parsons. |
St Johns Wood or St John's Wood?
Richard Rundle wrote:
"John B" wrote in message oups.com... wrote: Mark Brader wrote: Although, the anomalies on the Underground are curious! Have a look at the following, PLACE / Station name anomalies: EARLS COURT / Earl's Court COLLIER'S WOOD / Colliers Wood ST. JOHN'S WOOD / St. Johns Wood In the foregoing, all except Earl's Court, the Underground station has omitted a necessary apostrophe. Just out of interest, where did you get the capitalised place names from? Merton Council spells Colliers Wood without an apostrophe. And Westminster Council spells St John's Wood both ways (as does LUL). The local football team, Colliers Wood United is spelt everywhere without an apostrophe. Maybe the fans haven't really got the hang of apostrophes... See also: Queens Park Rangers. -- Dave Arquati Imperial College, SW7 www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London |
St Johns Wood or St John's Wood?
The roundels are wrong.
His name is John, not Johns. Therefore, the apostrophe HAS to go between the n and the s. Any other signage is the product of illiterate designers. JOHN'S MARTIN'S In the case of plural nouns, the apostrophe always goes afterwards. So SPANIARDS' INN if it refers to more than one Spaniard, or else SPANIARD'S INN Where there is some discussion is if the given name already ends with S. Eg JAMES'S PALACE or JAMES' PALACE But never JAMES PALACE The official line is, certainly as far as the University of London is concerned where I did my studies and I am a sessional lecturer: If it's Greek, it's always S' If it's not, it's up to the individual as long as he or she is consistent throughout. Therefore, always Achilles' heel, Eros' statue, Nikolaidis' penalty shot, Stavros' kebab house, Bacchus' wine, Androcles' lion, but if it's not Greek, you can say James's Square or James' Square as long as it's consistent throughout. |
St Johns Wood or St John's Wood?
In message . com, John
B writes Richard M Willis wrote: Why not? About five tube stations are named after pubs, and a pub called "Everything in the garden is green and lovely" is not too hard to imagine... or is it? Surely some pub names are not noun phrases? I've never seen a pub name that was not a noun phrase. If you can find one, I'd be well interested. Oh.. Actually, yes, there's The Case Is Altered at Fosdyke. In London... Ain't Nothing But Blues in Soho The Defectors Weld at Shepherd's Bush Dicey's The Galway Hooker at Neasden Dream Bags Jaguar Shoes at Hoxton Ha! Ha! in various places Hung, Drawn & Quartered at Tower Hill Liberty Bounds at Tower Hill Monkey Chews at Primrose Hill 1802 at West India Quay Rock The Boat at Waterloo Tally Ho in Finchley My favourite (and claimed to be the longest pub name in London) is the "I Am the Only Running Footman" in Charles Street, Mayfair. -- Ian Jelf, MITG Birmingham, UK Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of England http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk |
St Johns Wood or St John's Wood?
Tim Roll-Pickering wrote:
JMUpton2000 wrote: Something I wondered as I took a rare journey north of Baker Street on the Jubilee Line the other day. The on board scrolling displays and the tube maps say it is spelt St John's Wood with apostrophe but the platform roundels omit it. So which is right? Both, neither who knows. On Wikipedia the principle that a lot are generally happy with (at least the last time I'm aware this came up) is to use the current tube map spelling on the basis that station decorations take a lot longer to change But hasn't St John's Wood recently been refurbished? If the platform roundels are new, were the apostrophes also omitted on the old ones? and some platforms use multiple stations (e.g. King's Cross St. Pancras Circle/H&C/Met) so this is the only real consistent standard. Not sure what point you're making there. King's Cross St Pancras is AFAIK the consistent name for all the LU platforms there. -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
St Johns Wood or St John's Wood?
Tristán White wrote: The roundels are wrong. His name is John, not Johns. Therefore, the apostrophe HAS to go between the n and the s. Any other signage is the product of illiterate designers. JOHN'S MARTIN'S In the case of plural nouns, the apostrophe always goes afterwards. So SPANIARDS' INN if it refers to more than one Spaniard, or else SPANIARD'S INN Where there is some discussion is if the given name already ends with S. Eg JAMES'S PALACE or JAMES' PALACE But never JAMES PALACE The official line is, certainly as far as the University of London is concerned where I did my studies and I am a sessional lecturer: If it's Greek, it's always S' If it's not, it's up to the individual as long as he or she is consistent throughout. Therefore, always Achilles' heel, Eros' statue, Nikolaidis' penalty shot, Stavros' kebab house, Bacchus' wine, Androcles' lion, but if it's not Greek, you can say James's Square or James' Square as long as it's consistent throughout. Whilst agreeing with almost everyting you have written, your final paragraph is somewhat contentious. It would imply that Jesus was Greek! In her amusing book, "Eats, Shoots and Leaves" Lynn Truss (mistakenly, I think) states the rule as being that one omits the "s" where the proper noun is of "ancient" origin, whatever that may mean. But she then goes on to disprove this rule by quoting "St. Thomas' Hospital" as being an exception to the rule! I am always consistent in omitting the final "s", and as a rule that cannot be faulted. Marc. |
St Johns Wood or St John's Wood?
JMUpton2000 wrote: Something I wondered as I took a rare journey north of Baker Street on the Jubilee Line the other day. The on board scrolling displays and the tube maps say it is spelt St John's Wood with apostrophe but the platform roundels omit it. OT - one end of a street "Princes gardens" other end "Prince's gardens" on the signs |
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