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reliability of NNL and district line richmond branch
On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 19:24:52 +0100, "Aosmosis" wrote:
How reliable is the Richmond branch of the NNL and district line? I was waiting at Turnham green for 25 mins for a richmond train. Next time get the bus (or walk) to Gunnersbury, and get the District/NLL from there. The NLL has a timetable, so at least you can plan for that, even though they are sometimes late. -- to respond via email, visit: http://tinyurl.com/e48z9 |
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reliability of NNL and district line richmond branch
On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 23:32:27 +0100, Tom Robinson
wrote: On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 19:24:52 +0100, "Aosmosis" wrote: How reliable is the Richmond branch of the NNL and district line? I was waiting at Turnham green for 25 mins for a richmond train. Next time get the bus (or walk) to Gunnersbury, and get the District/NLL from there. The NLL has a timetable, so at least you can plan for that, even though they are sometimes late. There is also a live departure board on the ATOC site for Gunnersbury so you can use that, if you are near to a computer with internet access before you set off: http://www.livedepartureboards.co.uk...dep.aspx?T=GUN -- to respond via email, visit: http://tinyurl.com/e48z9 |
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reliability of NNL and district line richmond branch
Tom Robinson wrote: On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 23:32:27 +0100, Tom Robinson wrote: On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 19:24:52 +0100, "Aosmosis" wrote: How reliable is the Richmond branch of the NNL and district line? I was waiting at Turnham green for 25 mins for a richmond train. What ever happened to the proposal too run a branch from the central line to Richmond and discontinue the district service? Was it all connected to Crossrail going ahead? |
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reliability of NNL and district line richmond branch
kytelly wrote:
Tom Robinson wrote: On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 23:32:27 +0100, Tom Robinson wrote: On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 19:24:52 +0100, "Aosmosis" wrote: How reliable is the Richmond branch of the NNL and district line? I was waiting at Turnham green for 25 mins for a richmond train. What ever happened to the proposal too run a branch from the central line to Richmond and discontinue the district service? Was it all connected to Crossrail going ahead? Long gone. The proposal was coupled with a Bakerloo branch from Willesden Junction to North Acton to take over the Ealing Broadway branch of the Central line. That rather odd package was an alternative option studied alongside Crossrail some 20 years or so ago as part of a general cross-London rail study. It would have been very expensive for the relatively small achievement of increasing District frequency between Turnham Green and Ealing. -- Dave Arquati Imperial College, SW7 www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London |
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reliability of NNL and district line richmond branch
On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:15:11 +0100, Dave Arquati wrote:
What ever happened to the proposal too run a branch from the central line to Richmond and discontinue the district service? Was it all connected to Crossrail going ahead? Long gone. The proposal was coupled with a Bakerloo branch from Willesden Junction to North Acton to take over the Ealing Broadway branch of the Central line. That rather odd package was an alternative option studied alongside Crossrail some 20 years or so ago as part of a general cross-London rail study. It would have been very expensive for the relatively small achievement of increasing District frequency between Turnham Green and Ealing. It would have increased frequency on all branches of the District, and on the Circle too. |
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reliability of NNL and district line richmond branch
kytelly wrote:
Tom Robinson wrote: On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 23:32:27 +0100, Tom Robinson wrote: On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 19:24:52 +0100, "Aosmosis" wrote: How reliable is the Richmond branch of the NNL and district line? I was waiting at Turnham green for 25 mins for a richmond train. What ever happened to the proposal too run a branch from the central line to Richmond and discontinue the district service? Was it all connected to Crossrail going ahead? There was a proposal in the 1920's for a Central Line extension from Shepherd's Bush to Gunnersbury, and there was even an Underground map poster showing it as a dotted line. There's one in the Acton Depot of London's Transport Museum. The only recent proposal of this sort was the "Corridor 6" option for Crossrail, involving a tunnel from the GMWL at Wormwood Scrubs to just west of Turnham Green, then via Gunnersbury and Richmond to Kingston, which would have meant closing the District's service to Richmond. That idea was dropped in 2004 in favour of the current plan to run Crossrail to Maidenhead. -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
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reliability of NNL and district line richmond branch
Next time get the bus (or walk) to Gunnersbury, and get the
District/NLL from there. The NLL has a timetable, so at least you can plan for that, even though they are sometimes late. Trains in the morning rush seem to always be 2-3 minutes late and severe problems are rare; the short constant delays seem to be less of a problem in the evening rush but more substantial delays (15 mins or more) are more common. Punctuality does seem to have improved sharply this year compared to last where it was rare that a train was not 5-7 mins late. The staff and boards are best ignored, incidentally: the system that reports the delay digitally appears to have been programmed as part of a school project and the staff regularly just lie. I speak from many months' experience. Only 2 weeks ago at Acton Central, the man at the ticket counter told me that a train had just left Gunnersbury - a colleague at that station assured me otherwise: the magic of mobile phones, eh? Incidentally, on the matter of the GCSE train arrival information system: I was wondering how National Rail compile punctuality stats? Do they use the same data that we see on the screens in the stations or do they capture it separately? I ask as it is very common (as in more-often-than-not common) that a train delayed by more than 5 mins will simply be reported as being "On Time" at my station on the screen. |
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wrote: Incidentally, on the matter of the GCSE train arrival information system: I was wondering how National Rail compile punctuality stats? Do they use the same data that we see on the screens in the stations or do they capture it separately? I ask as it is very common (as in more-often-than-not common) that a train delayed by more than 5 mins will simply be reported as being "On Time" at my station on the screen. Not sure of the direct answer to your question, but I've noticed on South Eastern trains that when the train is later than the magical four minutes, the automated announcements always reflect this. So, for example, if the 11.25 arrives at 11.28, the announcement will be "The train at Platform 4 is the 11.25 to...", if it arrives at 11.30 the announcement will be "The train at Platform 4 is the delayed 11.25 to...". And who decided that +/- 4 minutes means "on time", anyway? Can't see the Swiss accepting that... Patrick |
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reliability of NNL and district line richmond branch
Not sure of the direct answer to your question, but I've noticed on
South Eastern trains that when the train is later than the magical four minutes, the automated announcements always reflect this. So, for example, if the 11.25 arrives at 11.28, the announcement will be "The train at Platform 4 is the 11.25 to...", if it arrives at 11.30 the announcement will be "The train at Platform 4 is the delayed 11.25 to...". And who decided that +/- 4 minutes means "on time", anyway? Can't see the Swiss accepting that... Patrick I've always been troubled by the whole %age On Time concept both for the reason you mention and the concept of using trains rather than passengers as being On Time. What I mean to say is that if you take - say - the NLL and look at the delays. Last year the line reported punctuality of 95 or 96% - assuming that this was based on the real running times of the trains and based on my personal experiences, it must have meant that almost all the off-peak trains were running on time. But these often run 10% full (and those passengers are less likely to be daily users) while the rush hour trains are packed. Therefore, a much larger %age than 4% or 5% were delayed on the line. This explains the mismatch between what - on the face of it - appears to be a good figure and the experiences of regular passengers you hear from, when discussing the line. |
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