wrote:

Moreover, all resident Members of the University were required to
obtain the Motor Proctor's written consent before having motor vehicle
in the City. I wonder whether that still applies.?

I thought it was just students ("Members resident in statute pupilari
shall not keep, nor cause to be kept" a car - or some such I think was
the phrase) that had to obtain consents for a car.


Marc.



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Adrian wrote:
Boltar ) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying :

Bicycles arn't road vehicles.

Of course they are.

No they're not. They're just 2 wheels and a frame. Wheres the engine?


YOu can ride them in parks, in fields , up hills , wherever its allowed.

Just like 4x4 cars, then?

Good luck trying to drive a car around a park or down a corridor or lug
it
up some stairs.

I think you might find yourself in the minority there. You can just
imagine some bored plod or traffic warden giving some poor cyclist a
ticket for some minor infraction just as happens with cars today. Can't
see cycling lasting long if that happens.

Sorry? Cycling cannot survive cyclists having to obey the law? Are you
really trying to say that?

I'm saying that the people who use it to commute everyday might decide
the
extra hassle isn't worth it and just revert back to using already
overcrowded
public transport, and the ones who use it as recreation once in a while

wouldn't bother registering anyway. Certainly I wouldn't since how will
they
find out who I am if they spot me without any license plates? And
unless
there are plods on bikes (never seen them where I live) how will they
chase
me to stop me and find out? Its an unworkable system that will
hopefully
remain nothing more than an enforcemant jobsworths wet dream where
he can dream about giving little kids on their bikes with stabilisers
tickets
for riding on the pavement instead of on the A road outside their front
door.

B2003

Jonathan Morris wrote:
You can't just blame the 'foreigners within the EU', because a car
magazine highlighted how easy it is for any Brit to do the same. I'm
sure a lot of foreign cars over here are owned by people using them to
avoid detection. In fact, in many ways I can see why I might want to do
it myself until honesty kicks in.

There used to be (though less now) a lot of german and netherlands
registered cars in london with very un-german looking drivers. Now as
you mentioned theres a lot of polish plates and also lithuanian and
latvian.
How long before they all get sold on to Brits with foreign plates
included
is anyones guess. The government have really made a rod for their own
backs with all the road and speed cameras but they're too dumb to see
it.

B2003

Boltar ) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying :

Bicycles arn't road vehicles.

Of course they are.

No they're not. They're just 2 wheels and a frame. Wheres the engine?

Sat on the saddle, usually. Or maybe standing up on the pedals on a steep
hill.

YOu can ride them in parks, in fields , up hills , wherever its
allowed.

Just like 4x4 cars, then?

Good luck trying to drive a car around a park

I wonder HOW those park rangers manage? D'you think it's because they're
*allowed to*?

Oh, and you might like to take note of the "No Cycling" signs in the park
every now and then.

I think you might find yourself in the minority there. You can just
imagine some bored plod or traffic warden giving some poor cyclist
a ticket for some minor infraction just as happens with cars today.
Can't see cycling lasting long if that happens.

Sorry? Cycling cannot survive cyclists having to obey the law? Are
you really trying to say that?

I'm saying that the people who use it to commute everyday might decide
the extra hassle isn't worth it

The extra hassle of obeying the law? Poor loves.

Certainly I wouldn't since how will they find out who I am if they spot
me without any license plates?

Might as well just not bother registering your car to your name, eh?
Perhaps even use somebody elses plates - or just take 'em off completely.

David Howdon wrote:
wrote:

Moreover, all resident Members of the University were required to
obtain the Motor Proctor's written consent before having motor vehicle
in the City. I wonder whether that still applies.?

I thought it was just students ("Members resident in statute pupilari
shall not keep, nor cause to be kept" a car - or some such I think was
the phrase) that had to obtain consents for a car.


It applies to resident members who don't have "MA status". The
university statutes are online if anyone wants to read them.

PaulO

In article . com,
(Paul Oter) wrote:

David Howdon wrote:
wrote:

Moreover, all resident Members of the University were required
to obtain the Motor Proctor's written consent before having motor
vehicle in the City. I wonder whether that still applies.?

I thought it was just students ("Members resident in statute
pupilari shall not keep, nor cause to be kept" a car - or some such I
think was the phrase) that had to obtain consents for a car.

It applies to resident members who don't have "MA status". The
university statutes are online if anyone wants to read them.

Graduate students get University licences pretty freely. But they should
have somewhere off-road to keep the car.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In article .com,
(Jonathan Morris) wrote:

Colum Mylod wrote:
1 in 250 was the rate quoted in a newspaper whose title escapes
me at the moment. That is a high value if true. It's possible the
clones are using similar car makes to the victims' original too which
presents a major problem for the innocents:

Yes, that is how it works. It means you can avoid ANPR in police
cars too, assuming the car you've cloned is okay as far as the DVLA is
concerned.

If you used any plate, it would stand out if the police (or Capita)
did any manual checks.

I spotted a false plate once. I checked the tax disc which had a
different registration on and reported it to the police. It turned out
the guy was riding his motorbike while disqualified.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

"Boltar" wrote

Adrian wrote:
Boltar ) gurgled happily, sounding much
like they
were saying :

Bicycles arn't road vehicles.

Of course they are.

No they're not. They're just 2 wheels and a frame. Wheres the
engine?

Only motor vehicles have motors.

Jeremy Parker

Adrian wrote:
Boltar ) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying :

Bicycles arn't road vehicles.

Of course they are.

No they're not. They're just 2 wheels and a frame. Wheres the engine?

Sat on the saddle, usually. Or maybe standing up on the pedals on a steep
hill.

Really? Well then if any means of locomotion using made made objects is
considered a vehicle then you'd better start campaigning for roller
skates to be
licensed. But hey , why stop at anything with wheels, why should they
have
the monopoly on defining a vehicle - shoes are man made too.
Perhaps ever new pair of Nikes should be registered with the DVLA!

Good luck trying to drive a car around a park

I wonder HOW those park rangers manage? D'you think it's because they're
*allowed to*?

Since when is a park ranger an average member of the public? Anyway ,
this is
a pointless argument. A bicycle is not a vehicle as you plainly know. I
can't tell
if you're just being devils advocate or really are as daft as you come
across.

Might as well just not bother registering your car to your name, eh?
Perhaps even use somebody elses plates - or just take 'em off completely.

Plenty of people do thanks to the proliferation of speed cameras. Have
you
just parachuted in from the 70s or something?

B2003

Boltar ) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying :

Really? Well then if any means of locomotion using made made objects
is considered a vehicle then you'd better start campaigning for roller
skates to be licensed.

When they start being used widely as transport and start widespread
flaunting of the law, then perhaps it might not be a bad idea.

Anyway, this is a pointless argument. A bicycle is not a vehicle as you
plainly know.

Ah, OK. So not a mode of road transport, then. Merely a frivolous toy. Not
a great idea to have those mixing with traffic, so better ban 'em from the
public road.

Or do you want your bread buttered on both sides? Cake *and* eat it? It's
make your mind up time, y'know.

Might as well just not bother registering your car to your name, eh?
Perhaps even use somebody elses plates - or just take 'em off
completely.

Plenty of people do thanks to the proliferation of speed cameras.

They do.

I just don't happen to think it's a great thing.

Have you just parachuted in from the 70s or something?
B2003

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