Paul Corfield wrote:
For example a ticket issued to Farringdon cannot be used to Kings Cross
Thameslink even though the fare will be the same.

Not according to FCC's online ticket site. A CDR from LTN to Farringdon
will cost £11, but a CDR from LTN to Kings Cross Thameslink will cost
£12! For some reason when I try City Thameslink, Blackfriars or London
Bridge, the site only quotes both 1-day Travelcard fares.

On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 08:49:39 GMT, Sky Rider wrote:

For example a ticket issued to Farringdon cannot be used to Kings Cross
Thameslink even though the fare will be the same.

Not according to FCC's online ticket site. A CDR from LTN to Farringdon
will cost £11, but a CDR from LTN to Kings Cross Thameslink will cost
£12! For some reason when I try City Thameslink, Blackfriars or London
Bridge, the site only quotes both 1-day Travelcard fares.

The usual ticket for a journey to City Thameslink, Blackfriars, or
London Bridge would be one to London Thameslink. I have a feeling the
planner doesn't know about them.

In article , invalid@invalid
invalid (asdf) wrote:

On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 08:49:39 GMT, Sky Rider wrote:

For example a ticket issued to Farringdon cannot be used to
Kings Cross Thameslink even though the fare will be the same.

Not according to FCC's online ticket site. A CDR from LTN to
Farringdon will cost £11, but a CDR from LTN to Kings Cross
Thameslink will cost £12! For some reason when I try City
Thameslink, Blackfriars or London Bridge, the site only quotes
both 1-day Travelcard fares.

The usual ticket for a journey to City Thameslink, Blackfriars, or
London Bridge would be one to London Thameslink. I have a feeling
the planner doesn't know about them.

It doesn't.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In article , sky
(Sky Rider) wrote:

Paul Corfield wrote:
For example a ticket issued to Farringdon cannot be used to Kings
Cross Thameslink even though the fare will be the same.

Not according to FCC's online ticket site. A CDR from LTN to
Farringdon will cost £11, but a CDR from LTN to Kings Cross
Thameslink will cost £12! For some reason when I try City
Thameslink, Blackfriars or London Bridge, the site only quotes both
1-day Travelcard fares.

It's the NRE site rather than FCC's. However, your point is a good one.

Cambridge-Farringdon or City Thameslink is £23 for a Cheap Day Travelcard
or £24 for a CDR; to King's Cross it's obviously cheaper for the CDR
(£18).

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
It's the NRE site rather than FCC's. However, your point is a good one.

Cambridge-Farringdon or City Thameslink is £23 for a Cheap Day Travelcard
or £24 for a CDR; to King's Cross it's obviously cheaper for the CDR
(£18).

Yet another interesting anomaly - speaking of anomalies, during the
PM-peak FCC has now banned off-peak return journeys from Zone C to Zone
D if the return journey on the ticket starts in Zone B and finishes in
Zone D.

Having checked out the ticket prices at LTN itself, it seems that
'London Thameslink' still exists, thankfully. As for the NRE Journey
Planner, it's possible that a ticket to KX Thameslink will be issued to
'London Terminals' and that (for £1 less as previously stated) one to
Farringdon will be issued to 'London Thameslink'. The latter is also 20p
cheaper than last year.

Sky Rider wrote:
The latter is also 20p cheaper than last year.
Erratum: That figure should be 15p. Which is still an (admittedly
negligible) 2% discount.

Sky Rider wrote:
Paul Corfield wrote:
For example a ticket issued to Farringdon cannot be used to Kings Cross
Thameslink even though the fare will be the same.

Not according to FCC's online ticket site. A CDR from LTN to Farringdon
will cost £11, but a CDR from LTN to Kings Cross Thameslink will cost
£12! For some reason when I try City Thameslink, Blackfriars or London
Bridge, the site only quotes both 1-day Travelcard fares.

How very messed up.

Cheap Day Single fares seem to be different by direction... for example,
Luton to KXTL (using a Young Person's Railcard) is 7.85 but KXTL to
Luton is 8.20. CDR is 8.25. I got the same fares for Blackfriars and St
Pancras, but Farringdon was 8.20 to Luton and 7.20 from Luton (but it
gave me 8.25 again for the CDR).

Standard Day Singles were different by direction to and from West
Hampstead Thameslink, but not to any of the other stations I tried.

Maybe the planner is a bit confused...

--
Dave Arquati
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

In article , (Dave A)
wrote:

*Subject:* Kings Cross Thameslink and London Terminals
*From:* Dave A
*Date:* Thu, 11 Jan 2007 22:12:36 +0000

Sky Rider wrote:
Paul Corfield wrote:
For example a ticket issued to Farringdon cannot be used to
Kings Cross
Thameslink even though the fare will be the same.

Not according to FCC's online ticket site. A CDR from LTN to
Farringdon will cost £11, but a CDR from LTN to Kings Cross
Thameslink will cost £12! For some reason when I try City
Thameslink, Blackfriars or London Bridge, the site only quotes
both 1-day Travelcard fares.

How very messed up.

Cheap Day Single fares seem to be different by direction... for
example, Luton to KXTL (using a Young Person's Railcard) is 7.85
but KXTL to Luton is 8.20. CDR is 8.25. I got the same fares for
Blackfriars and St Pancras, but Farringdon was 8.20 to Luton and
7.20 from Luton (but it gave me 8.25 again for the CDR).

Standard Day Singles were different by direction to and from West
Hampstead Thameslink, but not to any of the other stations I tried.

Maybe the planner is a bit confused...

It certainly is. I was looking up times and tickets to Harrogate where
I'm going in March. At first I entered the wrong return date, making it
the same as the outward date. It offered me 5 outwards options with Saver
fares, four via Ely and one slightly higher via Stevenage (or not London)
I then corrected the return date, changing nothing else, and it only
offered me a Saver fare for the via Stevenage journey, though all the
return journey options were valid for savers.

WTF?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Dave A wrote:
How very messed up.

Cheap Day Single fares seem to be different by direction... for example,
Luton to KXTL (using a Young Person's Railcard) is 7.85 but KXTL to
Luton is 8.20. CDR is 8.25. I got the same fares for Blackfriars and St
Pancras, but Farringdon was 8.20 to Luton and 7.20 from Luton (but it
gave me 8.25 again for the CDR).

Standard Day Singles were different by direction to and from West
Hampstead Thameslink, but not to any of the other stations I tried.

Maybe the planner is a bit confused...
No doubt about that. Theoretically you can get an ODT from an FCC Zone D
to an FCC Zone C station and return with it during the evening peak
(needless to say once you're in Zone 6 then you can do almost what you
like for the day until you make the return journey, or until 0430 :-)),
but it 'claims' that a CDR cannot be used during the evening peak if
your originating outbound station is Radlett. Even though Radlett is now
in FCC Zone C.

In the meantime I'm busy typing documents on legal ticket combos that
allow people to travel to London and back on off-peak tickets during the
evening peak. By the way they don't include the debatable BOJ at Elstree
when using an ODT - I believe there was an argument on whether *that*
loophole was iron-cast last year, but in the words of FCC (correct as of
December 2006):

"The return portions of Cheap Day Return, One Day Off-Peak
Travelcard, Family Travelcard and DaySave tickets are no longer
valid for travel where the return journey starts at any station in
area B (see map on page 9) and ends at a station in area D for
services that depart from Moorgate, King's Cross, King's Cross
Thameslink and St Pancras between 1630 and 1901 Monday to
Friday.
The above restriction also applies to customers joining trains in
area C if the ticket they are using is for the return journey from a
station in area B to a station in area D."

To summarise - they agree with Neil Williams as far as the BOJ issue is
concerned.

Having done some research earlier, I've done *CDR + CDR* (1) and *CDR +
ODT* (2) prices for journeys from an FCC Zone B station to Farringdon
(not KCM, simply because of the pricing discrepancy I highlighted
earlier). In case you're wondering (this applies to both ticket combos),
the first ticket covers a journey from Zone D to C , and the second from
Zone C to Farringdon, which of course is in Zone B.

Although you would have to catch FCC stoppers for it to work, tangible
savings can be made when comapred to SDR and ADT tickets for the entire
journey. Sometimes even the single ODT can be more expensive -
regardless of whether you choose combo 1 or 2.

I don't know about you, but personally I'd like to publish the
corresponding documets somewhere. What would an organisation like
Passenger Focus make of it (yes I know they're working on the EPR issue
anyway but I still might be of help)? What do you think? If you like, I
could email you a copy - if so, send me a short message to my email
address, if possible with the email address you want me to reply to.

One last thing - perhaps you know already, but 'LTN' is the Luton
Airport Parkway code. Luton is 'LUT' ;-)

Dave A wrote:
Sky Rider wrote:
Paul Corfield wrote:
For example a ticket issued to Farringdon cannot be used to Kings Cross
Thameslink even though the fare will be the same.

Not according to FCC's online ticket site. A CDR from LTN to
Farringdon will cost £11, but a CDR from LTN to Kings Cross Thameslink
will cost £12! For some reason when I try City Thameslink, Blackfriars
or London Bridge, the site only quotes both 1-day Travelcard fares.

How very messed up.

Cheap Day Single fares seem to be different by direction... for example,
Luton to KXTL (using a Young Person's Railcard) is 7.85 but KXTL to
Luton is 8.20. CDR is 8.25. I got the same fares for Blackfriars and St
Pancras, but Farringdon was 8.20 to Luton and 7.20 from Luton (but it
gave me 8.25 again for the CDR).

Standard Day Singles were different by direction to and from West
Hampstead Thameslink, but not to any of the other stations I tried.

Maybe the planner is a bit confused...

I sent an email to FCC and they told me that the anomaly has been fixed.
From Monday a London Terminals ticket will be sold for the same price
as a London Thameslink ticket. Which means that I can travel to St
Pancras and back for £11 and not £12. Unless of course I bring my YPR
with me - then it would be £7.25. :-)