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On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 16:17:57 -0600, David Lynch wrote:

The platform descriptors at Edgware Road should be interesting.
"Edgware Road via Aldgate,"

"Teacup Line via King's Cross"

"Hammersmith via Aldgate"

Probably just "Aldgate".

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fOn 3 Jan 2007 03:14:00 -0800, "PhilD" wrote:


Boltar wrote:
Tom Anderson wrote:
"Metropolitan trains would run through from Liverpool Street to Barking,

Amersham to Barking is a heck of a long way. Could this be a contender
for the longest non stop journey on the tube or is Epping to West
Ruislip still further?


Just done a quick calculation. I make the distances:

54.69km Epping - West Ruislip
56.76km Amersham - Barking

So the Met line would end up longer (and longer still if trains ran
through to Chesham).

What about Cockfosters to Cockfosters via the Heathrow loop?

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Bill Hayles wrote:
fOn 3 Jan 2007 03:14:00 -0800, "PhilD"
wrote:


Boltar wrote:
Tom Anderson wrote:
"Metropolitan trains would run through from Liverpool Street to
Barking,

Amersham to Barking is a heck of a long way. Could this be a
contender for the longest non stop journey on the tube or is
Epping to West Ruislip still further?


Just done a quick calculation. I make the distances:

54.69km Epping - West Ruislip
56.76km Amersham - Barking

So the Met line would end up longer (and longer still if trains ran
through to Chesham).

What about Cockfosters to Cockfosters via the Heathrow loop?

What about Hammersmith to Barking? There used to be a Circle Line
train, no. 201, that started from Hammersmith (H&C) at about 04:49, went
20 times round the circle and finished up at Barking at 00:58. Total
distance about 440 km (273 miles) in continuous public service with no
reversing.

Can someone with the current WTTs check whether it still runs?
--
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asdf wrote:
Personally I dont see why the Met line has to run to Barking?

Because at the moment, the Met trains empty out in one direction and fill up
in the other. It's better to have them filling up with new people as the old
ones get out.

And by swapping the eastern destinations of the Met and H&C, exactly
the same thing happens with the H&C...

Except Met trains are far fuller when they reach Baker Street than H&C
trains are when they reach Paddington...

--
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john at johnband dot org
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John B wrote:


Except Met trains are far fuller when they reach Baker Street than H&C
trains are when they reach Paddington...

--
But generally empty once you go past Baker Street. The Met's usually
not that crowded.

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On Thu, 4 Jan 2007, asdf wrote:

On Wed, 3 Jan 2007 18:17:23 +0000, Tom Anderson wrote:

Having said that, I'd hazard a guess that the Hammersmith-Aldgate
service won't run off-peak (otherwise why send the Met to Barking?),

Hang on, what? What do you mean by the 'Hammersmith-Aldgate service'?

I refer you to your previous post:

"Metropolitan trains would run through from Liverpool Street to
Barking, and the Hammersmith & City service would run partially to
Aldgate..."

Okay, somehow i'd missed the 'partially' - i'd been thinking every train
coming from Hammersmith would be a teacupper.

Thinking about it a bit more, unless I'm missing something, the
suggested service pattern seems to be hopelessly inefficient in terms of
movements across Praed Street Junction.

ISTR we discussed this here a few years ago, and came to much the same
conclusion.

tom

--
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The last Barking Train (ex Edgware Road) is indeed an Outer Rail
Circle.

Haven't got a Timetable with me at the minute but I think 4 or 5
Circles stable at Barking in the Evening and there are 3 Start-Ups.
These run advertised as Circles until their last arrival at either Glos
Rd or Edg Rd on the Outer Rail or Glos Rd/ Tower Hill on the Inner
Rail.
It is common for the Train to display the correct destination and the
Dot Matrix to have the wrong destination. This is either because the
DMI can' t show the data or the signalling system can't input it (like
Edgware Road to Glos Rd Inner Rail)


Richard J. wrote:

Bill Hayles wrote:
fOn 3 Jan 2007 03:14:00 -0800, "PhilD"
wrote:


Boltar wrote:
Tom Anderson wrote:
"Metropolitan trains would run through from Liverpool Street to
Barking,

Amersham to Barking is a heck of a long way. Could this be a
contender for the longest non stop journey on the tube or is
Epping to West Ruislip still further?


Just done a quick calculation. I make the distances:

54.69km Epping - West Ruislip
56.76km Amersham - Barking

So the Met line would end up longer (and longer still if trains ran
through to Chesham).

What about Cockfosters to Cockfosters via the Heathrow loop?

What about Hammersmith to Barking? There used to be a Circle Line
train, no. 201, that started from Hammersmith (H&C) at about 04:49, went
20 times round the circle and finished up at Barking at 00:58. Total
distance about 440 km (273 miles) in continuous public service with no
reversing.

Can someone with the current WTTs check whether it still runs?
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

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In message . com,
chunky munky writes
Don't forget that the entire Sub-Surface Railway will be very very
different in 10-15 years tim to what it currently is, including the
District running to Uxbridge instead of the Piccadilly

This is a rumour that surfaces from time to time (usually when one of
those Green railways types takes a wrong stick at Hanger Lane) which has
no factual substance.

The fact that some of the platforms down the Rayners Branch have been
recently rebuilt to tube gauge stock suggests that TPTB have no plans to
do this.
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In message , asdf
writes
On 3 Jan 2007 14:02:26 -0800, chunky munky wrote:

There are a number of reasons why the District will end up at Uxbridge
eventually (with the Picc going to Ealing Bdway?).
- The Piccadilly will benefit from the additional rolling stock, when
Terminal 5 opens. There is no new stock for many years yet.

So, just how many extra trains do you consider that T5 will need?

2 at the most, I would say!

Some 1967 stock will become available soon. Some is going to the
Bakerloo (for the Watford Junction extension), but I'm sure there'd be
enough left for the Picc.

There's also the 1983 stock still around that was supposed to be
refurbished for use on the Picc.

Most of it has disappeared now (the Uxbridge and Cockfosters stuff went
a couple of months ago and the South Harrow is imminent)

- The platform to train heights will be "level/ step free" between
Rayners Lane and Uxbridge. As set out in the PPP Contract

Curtail the Picc to Rayners Lane, with new platforms where the goods
yard is now?

Always thought that would be a good idea with the RLN refurbishment,
then just peak stuff to RUI/UXB to maintain the headway on the branch at
peak times.
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In message , asdf
writes
Build a west-to-north curve so that trains can run through from Ealing
Broadway to North Ealing. District trains to Uxbridge would run Central
London - Ealing Common - Ealing Broadway (reverse) - North Ealing -
Uxbridge. A reversal en route wouldn't be a problem as there'd be no
need for the driver to change ends.

I imagine BT might have something to say about that - they have a depot
right where the line would go.
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