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Tom Anderson:
'Bakerloo' makes me cringe every time i hear it.

Clive Feather:
It made Der Manejment cringe for years before they decided to
live with it.

Well, no. At least, "Rails Through the Clay" (2nd edition) says otherwise:

# The clumsy statutory titles of the three lines were, [of] course,
# too much for the man in the street. A writer in the Evening News
# (G.H.F. Nichols, or 'Quex') coined the tag Bakerloo for the Baker
# Street & Waterloo, a name used by the paper from 7th March 1906¹
# and quickly accepted by the company, which adopted it officially
# from July. This move staggered the prim anti-American editor of
# The Railway Magazine: 'for a railway itself to adopt its gutter
# title, is not what we expect from a railway company. English
# railway officers have more dignity than to act in this [manner].'
# Mr Nokes was spared further nicknames: the other two lines simply
# became known as the Piccadilly² Tube and the Hampstead³ Tube,
# titles which were officially promulgated and stuck well enough.
# A competition was held by the Evening News to find a short title
# for the Piccadilly tube, but none of the rather awkward suggestions
# proved acceptable to the company.

[] indicates places where I have corrected typos in the passage.

¹ 3 days before the line opened. The Piccadilly's opening followed in
December of the same year, so the competition was presumably held in
the intervening months; the Hampstead opened in June of 1907.

² Great Northern, Piccadilly & Brompton Railway.

³ Charing Cross, Euston & Hampstead Railway. The name Northern Line
was first used in 1937.
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In article , (Mark
Brader) wrote:

³ Charing Cross, Euston & Hampstead Railway. The name Northern Line
was first used in 1937.

It had been called the Morden-Edgware line by then, indicating how much
it had expanded (also incorporating the City adn South London) since 1907


--
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On Sat, 6 Jan 2007, Mark Brader wrote:

Tom Anderson:
'Bakerloo' makes me cringe every time i hear it.

Clive Feather:
It made Der Manejment cringe for years before they decided to
live with it.

Well, no. At least, "Rails Through the Clay" (2nd edition) says otherwise:

But nothing that says there was no cringeing in the ranks in the years
after the decision!

tom

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Tom Anderson wrote:
On Sat, 6 Jan 2007, Mark Brader wrote:

Tom Anderson:
'Bakerloo' makes me cringe every time i hear it.

Clive Feather:
It made Der Manejment cringe for years before they decided to
live with it.

Well, no. At least, "Rails Through the Clay" (2nd edition) says
otherwise:

But nothing that says there was no cringeing in the ranks in the
years after the decision!

Officers' mess surely, not "in the ranks"!

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C wrote:
"John Rowland" wrote in message
...
C wrote:
Personally I dont see why the Met line has to run to Barking?
Because at the moment, the Met trains empty out in one direction and fill
up in the other. It's better to have them filling up with new people as
the old ones get out.


Dont all lines do that?


No - witness any line at Oxford Circus, where a mob get off a train to
be replaced by a mob getting on. Imagine if the Central line didn't go
west of Marble Arch - the trains would get emptier and emptier as they
approached Marble Arch from the east, whereas there is currently a
turnover of people which keeps them efficiently used at least as far as
White City.

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Dave Arquati
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

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Tom Anderson wrote:
On Tue, 2 Jan 2007, C wrote:

"Fig" wrote in message news:op.tljmp5qam4iaeb@dell...
In another thread, Dave Arquanti commented that "The new service pattern
on the Circle and H&C lines will make using Paddington much easier"
Could anyone expand on this please? A brief google has returned nothing.

Yeah what does Dave mean?

Before questioning The Dave, check your scriptu

http://www.alwaystouchout.com/project/39

Which sayeth:

"2011 - New service pattern

"The peak hour service is currently 28tph on most of the subsurface
network in Zone 1 and is due to be increased to 30tph, to be achieved by
restructuring the service - in particular the Circle line.

"Metropolitan trains would run through from Liverpool Street to Barking,
and the Hammersmith & City service would run partially to Aldgate, and
partially all the way around the Circle terminating at Edgware Road -
i.e. Hammersmith - Edgware Road - Aldgate - Victoria - Edgware Road and
reverse.

"This is meant to give a period of recovery time which the Circle line
currently lacks. Detailed information is available at Tubeprune's site
and District Dave's site.

"Works will be undertaken on the Hammersmith & City line station at
Paddington to relieve overcrowding."

Note that because of the new shape of the H&C (which, AIUI, entirely
replaces the current Circle service), at Paddington, no trains on the
Circle/District platform will go beyond Edgware Road, so should that way
lie your destination, your only option is to go to the H&C platform,
which is easier than the choice you face at present.

tom

To add some clarification on service frequencies to this, I believe the
idea is to double the frequency of Hammersmith departures. The current
frequency on each of the H&C, Circle and Wimbleware services is 8tph
(every 7.5 mins). The "teacup" plan would (theoretically) involve 16tph
departing from Hammersmith, resulting in a doubling of service on the
Hammersmith-Paddington section, giving a much improved service to the
White City shopping centre which will push up demand on the line (via
the new station at Wood Lane).

It will also provide big benefits at Paddington, where interchange
passengers from National Rail can head to the Bishop's Bridge (current
H&C) station for 16tph (direct) to the east, an improvement over the
current situation with direct trains split equally between those
platforms and the Praed Street (Circle line) platforms. Additionally,
the extensive development in the Paddington Basin is closer to the
Bishop's Bridge platforms and will benefit from a better service to them.

However, the obvious problem is that 16 circular services do not fit
along either the southern Circle or into the terminating platforms at
Edgware Road - so it seems likely that 8tph will halt at Aldgate and
reverse, with the other 8tph continuing round to Edgware Road via
Victoria and back, just as the current Circle service.

Unfortunately, it means a bit of a raw deal for journeys on the western
part of the Circle, as there will be no frequency increase and a break
in journeys passing through Edgware Road - but hopefully with the prize
of improved reliability.

Other people may know more than I do, so please step in to correct if
necessary!

--
Dave Arquati
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

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asdf wrote:
Some 1967 stock will become available soon. Some is going to the
Bakerloo (for the Watford Junction extension), but I'm sure there'd be
enough left for the Picc.

I doubt having some knackered 67 stock on the picc would go down too
well with the average picc commuter. Besidesd , wouldn't they need a
lot of work to be compatable such as putting back tripcocks , new train
radios etc?


There's also the 1983 stock still around that was supposed to be
refurbished for use on the Picc.

That all went for scrap long ago didn't it? Are are them some still
hanging around the system?

B2003

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Tom Anderson:
'Bakerloo' makes me cringe every time i hear it.

Clive Feather:
It made Der Manejment cringe for years before they decided to
live with it.

Well, no. At least, "Rails Through the Clay" (2nd edition) says otherwise:
[...]

You're right. Memory fault on my part; sorry.

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asdf wrote:
On Wed, 3 Jan 2007 14:16:03 -0000, John Rowland wrote:

Personally I dont see why the Met line has to run to Barking?

Because at the moment, the Met trains empty out in one direction and
fill up in the other. It's better to have them filling up with new
people as the old ones get out.

And by swapping the eastern destinations of the Met and H&C, exactly
the same thing happens with the H&C...

But the Met east of Baker Street has 120 carriages per peak hour, whereas
the H&C has something like 48 carriages per peak hour.

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On Tue, 9 Jan 2007 13:07:54 -0000, John Rowland wrote:

Personally I dont see why the Met line has to run to Barking?

Because at the moment, the Met trains empty out in one direction and
fill up in the other. It's better to have them filling up with new
people as the old ones get out.

And by swapping the eastern destinations of the Met and H&C, exactly
the same thing happens with the H&C...

But the Met east of Baker Street has 120 carriages per peak hour, whereas
the H&C has something like 48 carriages per peak hour.

But if 15 Met tph are to head through Aldgate East, some Districts
will have to be cut back to Tower Hill (and/or Mansion House) to make
room, which just shifts the same situation onto those Districts.