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The new service pattern on the Circle and H&C lines
In another thread, Dave Arquanti commented that "The new service pattern
on the Circle and H&C lines will make using Paddington much easier" Could anyone expand on this please? A brief google has returned nothing. -- Fig |
The new service pattern on the Circle and H&C lines
"Fig" wrote in message news:op.tljmp5qam4iaeb@dell... In another thread, Dave Arquanti commented that "The new service pattern on the Circle and H&C lines will make using Paddington much easier" Could anyone expand on this please? A brief google has returned nothing. -- Fig Yeah what does Dave mean? |
The new service pattern on the Circle and H&C lines
Must be the plan for the Hammersmith & Circle line, which has to wait
for the new S7 stock to arrive, as there isn't enogh C Stocks about. The current idea is Hammersmith (Met) - Edgware Road - Aldgate - Gloucester Road - then either up to Edgware Road or down to Wimbledon. The Met will then be diverted from Liverpool Street to Barking. No idea about frequencies or if the service will run past Edgware Road as a loop? Fig wrote: In another thread, Dave Arquanti commented that "The new service pattern on the Circle and H&C lines will make using Paddington much easier" Could anyone expand on this please? A brief google has returned nothing. -- Fig |
The new service pattern on the Circle and H&C lines
C wrote:
"Fig" wrote in message news:op.tljmp5qam4iaeb@dell... In another thread, Dave Arquanti commented that "The new service pattern on the Circle and H&C lines will make using Paddington much easier" Could anyone expand on this please? A brief google has returned nothing. -- Fig Yeah what does Dave mean? There is a plan to replace to rearrange the subsurface lines so that: - the Metropolitan is extended to Barking instead of the Hammersmith and City - the Hammersmith and City and Circle are replace by a new line running from Hammersmith, via Paddington, Kings Cross, Tower Hill, Victoria and Paddington to Edgware Road, where it would terminate/reverse. |
The new service pattern on the Circle and H&C lines
On Tue, 2 Jan 2007, C wrote:
"Fig" wrote in message news:op.tljmp5qam4iaeb@dell... In another thread, Dave Arquanti commented that "The new service pattern on the Circle and H&C lines will make using Paddington much easier" Could anyone expand on this please? A brief google has returned nothing. Yeah what does Dave mean? Before questioning The Dave, check your scriptu http://www.alwaystouchout.com/project/39 Which sayeth: "2011 - New service pattern "The peak hour service is currently 28tph on most of the subsurface network in Zone 1 and is due to be increased to 30tph, to be achieved by restructuring the service - in particular the Circle line. "Metropolitan trains would run through from Liverpool Street to Barking, and the Hammersmith & City service would run partially to Aldgate, and partially all the way around the Circle terminating at Edgware Road - i.e. Hammersmith - Edgware Road - Aldgate - Victoria - Edgware Road and reverse. "This is meant to give a period of recovery time which the Circle line currently lacks. Detailed information is available at Tubeprune's site and District Dave's site. "Works will be undertaken on the Hammersmith & City line station at Paddington to relieve overcrowding." Note that because of the new shape of the H&C (which, AIUI, entirely replaces the current Circle service), at Paddington, no trains on the Circle/District platform will go beyond Edgware Road, so should that way lie your destination, your only option is to go to the H&C platform, which is easier than the choice you face at present. tom -- Hit to death in the future head |
The new service pattern on the Circle and H&C lines
On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 22:44:12 +0000, Tom Anderson wrote:
Note that because of the new shape of the H&C (which, AIUI, entirely replaces the current Circle service), at Paddington, no trains on the Circle/District platform will go beyond Edgware Road, so should that way lie your destination, your only option is to go to the H&C platform, which is easier than the choice you face at present. Also, the frequency of trains from the H&C platforms to Liverpool Street will be increased (doubled?). If that didn't happen (i.e. the only change was that trains from the Circle platforms terminated at Edgware Road) then it wouldn't be much of an improvement - although, as you say, the choice would be easier. ;-) Having said that, I'd hazard a guess that the Hammersmith-Aldgate service won't run off-peak (otherwise why send the Met to Barking?), which would mean this increase would only be at peak times. |
The new service pattern on the Circle and H&C lines
"chunky munky" wrote in message ups.com... Must be the plan for the Hammersmith & Circle line, which has to wait for the new S7 stock to arrive, as there isn't enogh C Stocks about. The current idea is Hammersmith (Met) - Edgware Road - Aldgate - Gloucester Road - then either up to Edgware Road or down to Wimbledon. The Met will then be diverted from Liverpool Street to Barking. No idea about frequencies or if the service will run past Edgware Road as a loop? Fig wrote: In another thread, Dave Arquanti commented that "The new service pattern on the Circle and H&C lines will make using Paddington much easier" Could anyone expand on this please? A brief google has returned nothing. -- Fig Personally I dont see why the Met line has to run to Barking? |
The new service pattern on the Circle and H&C lines
On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 04:47:22 GMT, "C"
wrote: "chunky munky" wrote in message oups.com... Must be the plan for the Hammersmith & Circle line, which has to wait for the new S7 stock to arrive, as there isn't enogh C Stocks about. The current idea is Hammersmith (Met) - Edgware Road - Aldgate - Gloucester Road - then either up to Edgware Road or down to Wimbledon. The Met will then be diverted from Liverpool Street to Barking. No idea about frequencies or if the service will run past Edgware Road as a loop? Fig wrote: In another thread, Dave Arquanti commented that "The new service pattern on the Circle and H&C lines will make using Paddington much easier" Could anyone expand on this please? A brief google has returned nothing. -- Fig Personally I dont see why the Met line has to run to Barking? Because otherwise, if you divert the current H&C to Aldgate instead of Aldgate East, you've got no trains running between Liverpool Street and Aldgate East! |
The new service pattern on the Circle and H&C lines
Because otherwise, if you divert the current H&C to Aldgate instead of Aldgate East, you've got no trains running between Liverpool Street and Aldgate East! I think it would be much better idea to force people change at Tower Hill (or build passenger walk tunnel between Aldgate and Aldgate East) - current Aldgate junction is too crowded. Yes, it's additional change for passengers, but it will result in better service. |
The new service pattern on the Circle and H&C lines
Tom Anderson wrote: "Metropolitan trains would run through from Liverpool Street to Barking, Amersham to Barking is a heck of a long way. Could this be a contender for the longest non stop journey on the tube or is Epping to West Ruislip still further? B2003 |
The new service pattern on the Circle and H&C lines
Boltar wrote: Tom Anderson wrote: "Metropolitan trains would run through from Liverpool Street to Barking, Amersham to Barking is a heck of a long way. Could this be a contender for the longest non stop journey on the tube or is Epping to West Ruislip still further? Just done a quick calculation. I make the distances: 54.69km Epping - West Ruislip 56.76km Amersham - Barking So the Met line would end up longer (and longer still if trains ran through to Chesham). PhilD -- |
The new service pattern on the Circle and H&C lines
As far as I know, Met from Aldgate runs only to Uxbridge. Amersham and
Chesham trains terminate at Baker Street. What about Uxbridge to Barking? |
The new service pattern on the Circle and H&C lines
alex_t wrote: As far as I know, Met from Aldgate runs only to Uxbridge. Amersham and Chesham trains terminate at Baker Street. What about Uxbridge to Barking? Less long in distance, but it will only take you about the 5 minutes less since Uxbridge-Aldgate runs all-stop. |
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C wrote:
Personally I dont see why the Met line has to run to Barking? Because at the moment, the Met trains empty out in one direction and fill up in the other. It's better to have them filling up with new people as the old ones get out. |
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alex_t wrote: As far as I know, Met from Aldgate runs only to Uxbridge. Amersham and Chesham trains terminate at Baker Street. What about Uxbridge to Barking? The off peak service pattern is: Aldgate - Uxbridge (All Stations) Baker Street - Watford (All Stations) Baker Street - Amersham (Fast - Wembley Park to Harrow and Harrow to Moor Park) In the peak there are all sorts of fast, stopping and semi-fast services running the whole or part of the line, as well as 2 with flow peak Chesham - Aldgate Fast services, there are also some other early morning and late night Chesham 8 car services. Of course the Controller often amends the stopping patterns if gaps arise in the service or divert trains to cover other branches gaps. Don't forget that the entire Sub-Surface Railway will be very very different in 10-15 years tim to what it currently is, including the District running to Uxbridge instead of the Piccadilly |
The new service pattern on the Circle and H&C lines
On Wed, 3 Jan 2007 Boltar wrote:
Tom Anderson wrote: "Metropolitan trains would run through from Liverpool Street to Barking, Amersham to Barking is a heck of a long way. Could this be a contender for the longest non stop journey on the tube Non stop ??? -- Thoss |
The new service pattern on the Circle and H&C lines
thoss wrote:
On Wed, 3 Jan 2007 Boltar wrote: Tom Anderson wrote: "Metropolitan trains would run through from Liverpool Street to Barking, Amersham to Barking is a heck of a long way. Could this be a contender for the longest non stop journey on the tube Non stop ??? Hm, I think he meant "longest journey without change on the tube"... ;-) -- Olof Lagerkvist ICQ: 724451 Web: http://here.is/olof |
The new service pattern on the Circle and H&C lines
"John Rowland" wrote in message ... C wrote: Personally I dont see why the Met line has to run to Barking? Because at the moment, the Met trains empty out in one direction and fill up in the other. It's better to have them filling up with new people as the old ones get out. Dont all lines do that? |
The new service pattern on the Circle and H&C lines
"chunky munky" wrote in message ups.com... alex_t wrote: As far as I know, Met from Aldgate runs only to Uxbridge. Amersham and Chesham trains terminate at Baker Street. What about Uxbridge to Barking? The off peak service pattern is: Aldgate - Uxbridge (All Stations) Baker Street - Watford (All Stations) Baker Street - Amersham (Fast - Wembley Park to Harrow and Harrow to Moor Park) In the peak there are all sorts of fast, stopping and semi-fast services running the whole or part of the line, as well as 2 with flow peak Chesham - Aldgate Fast services, there are also some other early morning and late night Chesham 8 car services. Of course the Controller often amends the stopping patterns if gaps arise in the service or divert trains to cover other branches gaps. Don't forget that the entire Sub-Surface Railway will be very very different in 10-15 years tim to what it currently is, including the District running to Uxbridge instead of the Piccadilly I didnt realise the District Line was running up until Uxbridge? Does that mean the Picadilly line is being shortened? |
The new service pattern on the Circle and H&C lines
Don't forget that the entire Sub-Surface Railway will be very very different in 10-15 years tim to what it currently is, including the District running to Uxbridge instead of the Piccadilly How did you know about thus? Any website to read about this? |
The new service pattern on the Circle and H&C lines
"chunky munky" wrote in message ups.com... Don't forget that the entire Sub-Surface Railway will be very very different in 10-15 years tim to what it currently is, including the District running to Uxbridge instead of the Piccadilly Presumably this will allow the future signalling upgrade on the Piccadilly to increase train frequency without buying more tube stock - do the SSL stock replacement contract numbers allow for District services returning to Uxbridge? Paul S |
The new service pattern on the Circle and H&C lines
On Wed, 3 Jan 2007, asdf wrote:
On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 22:44:12 +0000, Tom Anderson wrote: Note that because of the new shape of the H&C (which, AIUI, entirely replaces the current Circle service), at Paddington, no trains on the Circle/District platform will go beyond Edgware Road, so should that way lie your destination, your only option is to go to the H&C platform, which is easier than the choice you face at present. Also, the frequency of trains from the H&C platforms to Liverpool Street will be increased (doubled?). If that didn't happen (i.e. the only change was that trains from the Circle platforms terminated at Edgware Road) then it wouldn't be much of an improvement Well, quite! - although, as you say, the choice would be easier. ;-) Yes - take the flipping Bakerloo. Random PS - why didn't the Bakerloo get called the Regent Line, since it runs via Regent's Park and Regent Street? That would be a much better name. 'Bakerloo' makes me cringe every time i hear it. Having said that, I'd hazard a guess that the Hammersmith-Aldgate service won't run off-peak (otherwise why send the Met to Barking?), Hang on, what? What do you mean by the 'Hammersmith-Aldgate service'? Why won't it run off-peak? How is this related to the Met? tom -- If the truth can be told so as to be understood, it will be believed. |
The new service pattern on the Circle and H&C lines
On Wed, 3 Jan 2007, chunky munky wrote:
Don't forget that the entire Sub-Surface Railway will be very very different in 10-15 years tim to what it currently is, including the District running to Uxbridge instead of the Piccadilly First i've heard of it, other than as fanfic here. What makes you think this is going to happen? tom -- If the truth can be told so as to be understood, it will be believed. |
The new service pattern on the Circle and H&C lines
"Tom Anderson" wrote in message .li... On Wed, 3 Jan 2007, chunky munky wrote: Don't forget that the entire Sub-Surface Railway will be very very different in 10-15 years tim to what it currently is, including the District running to Uxbridge instead of the Piccadilly First i've heard of it, other than as fanfic here. What makes you think this is going to happen? tom -- If the truth can be told so as to be understood, it will be believed. Whats to be gained from having District line trains as opposed to Picadilly line trains running to Uxbridge? |
The new service pattern on the Circle and H&C lines
This should throw up some interesting things
- on the linear map of the Hammersmith and City line Paddington and Edgware Road appear twice - Two different ways to go from Paddington to Edgware Road via Hammersmith and City - from totally seperate platforms - Idea of going from Embankment to Monument via Westbound Hammersmith & City - just weird - You could walk between Royal Oak and Bayswater in ten minutes, or take tube - over an hour Id guess - Three lines to choose from between Gloucester Road and Hammersmith, two stops on Piccadilly, three on the district, or 31 on the Hammersmith and City - If they build the tunnel connecting Euston Sq and Euston three ways to get from Euston to Kings Cross - Eastbound H&C Northbound Victoria or Southbound Northern Rob "Metropolitan trains would run through from Liverpool Street to Barking, and the Hammersmith & City service would run partially to Aldgate, and partially all the way around the Circle terminating at Edgware Road - i.e. Hammersmith - Edgware Road - Aldgate - Victoria - Edgware Road and reverse. |
The new service pattern on the Circle and H&C lines
C wrote: "Tom Anderson" wrote in message .li... On Wed, 3 Jan 2007, chunky munky wrote: Don't forget that the entire Sub-Surface Railway will be very very different in 10-15 years tim to what it currently is, including the District running to Uxbridge instead of the Piccadilly First i've heard of it, other than as fanfic here. What makes you think this is going to happen? tom -- If the truth can be told so as to be understood, it will be believed. Whats to be gained from having District line trains as opposed to Picadilly line trains running to Uxbridge? A higher frequency on the rest of the Piccadilly I guess, because the line will be shorter in the end, while there would be enough sub-surface stock to extend the District back to Uxbridge. This would be a very unattractive service for everyone from North Ealing to Uxbridge though, since virtually all of those people will want to get on the express. It doesn't make much sense to make the longer line the slowest one here, and the shorter (Ealing Broadway) line the express. |
The new service pattern on the Circle and H&C lines
sweek wrote:
It doesn't make much sense to make the longer line the slowest one here, and the shorter (Ealing Broadway) line the express. Surely Ealing Broadway would remain District too... the point of the plan is to increase Picc frequency to Heathrow, and sending Picc trains to Ealing Broadway would defeat the point of ceasing to serve Uxbridge. Anyway, didn't they rebuild a Sudbury station or two to have platforms level with the tube stock a few years ago? |
The new service pattern on the Circle and H&C lines
John Rowland wrote: sweek wrote: It doesn't make much sense to make the longer line the slowest one here, and the shorter (Ealing Broadway) line the express. Surely Ealing Broadway would remain District too... the point of the plan is to increase Picc frequency to Heathrow, and sending Picc trains to Ealing Broadway would defeat the point of ceasing to serve Uxbridge. Anyway, didn't they rebuild a Sudbury station or two to have platforms level with the tube stock a few years ago? You need less trains for an Ealing Broadway picc. branch than an Uxbridge picc. branch. Those extra trains could go towards the increased Heathrow frequency. I don't think complicating the District line even more is ever a good idea. |
The new service pattern on the Circle and H&C lines
sweek wrote:
John Rowland wrote: sweek wrote: It doesn't make much sense to make the longer line the slowest one here, and the shorter (Ealing Broadway) line the express. Surely Ealing Broadway would remain District too... the point of the plan is to increase Picc frequency to Heathrow, and sending Picc trains to Ealing Broadway would defeat the point of ceasing to serve Uxbridge. Anyway, didn't they rebuild a Sudbury station or two to have platforms level with the tube stock a few years ago? Maybe, but District to Ealing Broadway AND Uxbridge is the only solution that could eliminate all platforms served by trains of both sizes. Without this change, level wheelchair access cannot be achieved at Ealing Common or between Rayners Lane and Uxbridge. You need less trains for an Ealing Broadway picc. branch than an Uxbridge picc. branch. Those extra trains could go towards the increased Heathrow frequency. I don't think complicating the District line even more is ever a good idea. Arguably, when Crossrail is built, Ealing Broadway won't need both District and Central trains to central London. The capacity might be better used to create north-south links to Richmond and Uxbridge, Harrow, or Willesden Junction. Colin McKenzie -- No-one has ever proved that cycle helmets make cycling any safer at the population level, and anyway cycling is about as safe per mile as walking. Make an informed choice - visit www.cyclehelmets.org. |
The new service pattern on the Circle and H&C lines
There are a number of reasons why the District will end up at Uxbridge
eventually (with the Picc going to Ealing Bdway?). - The Piccadilly will benefit from the additional rolling stock, when Terminal 5 opens. There is no new stock for many years yet. - The platform to train heights will be "level/ step free" between Rayners Lane and Uxbridge. As set out in the PPP Contract - The ATO systems for Tube Lines and Metronet will be different, though thinking about it now must be compatible for the North Ealing to Acton Town section, unless as some have said the District runs to Ealing Broadway. The SSR will be different in that it will have new trains, new signalling systems with 12 control/signalling locations being replaced by one Command & Control centre, step free access to the trains, changes to the lines. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6213384.stm Colin McKenzie wrote: sweek wrote: John Rowland wrote: sweek wrote: It doesn't make much sense to make the longer line the slowest one here, and the shorter (Ealing Broadway) line the express. Surely Ealing Broadway would remain District too... the point of the plan is to increase Picc frequency to Heathrow, and sending Picc trains to Ealing Broadway would defeat the point of ceasing to serve Uxbridge. Anyway, didn't they rebuild a Sudbury station or two to have platforms level with the tube stock a few years ago? Maybe, but District to Ealing Broadway AND Uxbridge is the only solution that could eliminate all platforms served by trains of both sizes. Without this change, level wheelchair access cannot be achieved at Ealing Common or between Rayners Lane and Uxbridge. You need less trains for an Ealing Broadway picc. branch than an Uxbridge picc. branch. Those extra trains could go towards the increased Heathrow frequency. I don't think complicating the District line even more is ever a good idea. Arguably, when Crossrail is built, Ealing Broadway won't need both District and Central trains to central London. The capacity might be better used to create north-south links to Richmond and Uxbridge, Harrow, or Willesden Junction. Colin McKenzie -- No-one has ever proved that cycle helmets make cycling any safer at the population level, and anyway cycling is about as safe per mile as walking. Make an informed choice - visit www.cyclehelmets.org. |
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Rob wrote:
This should throw up some interesting things - on the linear map of the Hammersmith and City line Paddington and Edgware Road appear twice The platform descriptors at Edgware Road should be interesting. "Terminates Here," "Edgware Road via Aldgate," "Hammersmith" and "Hammersmith via Aldgate" - Three lines to choose from between Gloucester Road and Hammersmith, two stops on Piccadilly, three on the district, or 31 on the Hammersmith and City Not to mention that all the way from Gloucester Road to Tower Hill, there are trains to Hammersmith in both directions, and the one advertised as going there is most likely the slower one. Similarly, the fastest way to Hammersmith from Bayswater, Notting Hill Gate, and High Street Kensington is to take a train towards Hammersmith only as far as Gloucester Road and change to a District/Piccadilly train in the opposite direction. |
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David Lynch wrote:
The platform descriptors at Edgware Road should be interesting. "Terminates Here," "Edgware Road via Aldgate," "Hammersmith" and "Hammersmith via Aldgate" I would imagine the "via Aldgate" trains will continue to be described as Circle for much of their run. |
The new service pattern on the Circle and H&C lines
In article , Tom
Anderson writes Random PS - why didn't the Bakerloo get called the Regent Line, since it runs via Regent's Park and Regent Street? Because it was the Baker Street and Waterloo Railway. And it's brown on the maps because the Baker Street and Waterloo bus company had a brown livery. 'Bakerloo' makes me cringe every time i hear it. It made Der Manejment cringe for years before they decided to live with it. -- Clive D.W. Feather | Home: Tel: +44 20 8495 6138 (work) | Web: http://www.davros.org Fax: +44 870 051 9937 | Work: Please reply to the Reply-To address, which is: |
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On Wed, 3 Jan 2007, Rob wrote:
This should throw up some interesting things - on the linear map of the Hammersmith and City line Paddington and Edgware Road appear twice The 'linear' map might well be like the one currently seen in C stock trains, with the loop shown as a loop. I think it'd be pretty bloody confusing otherwise. - Two different ways to go from Paddington to Edgware Road via Hammersmith and City - from totally seperate platforms - Idea of going from Embankment to Monument via Westbound Hammersmith & City - just weird - You could walk between Royal Oak and Bayswater in ten minutes, or take tube - over an hour Id guess - Three lines to choose from between Gloucester Road and Hammersmith, two stops on Piccadilly, three on the district, or 31 on the Hammersmith and City - If they build the tunnel connecting Euston Sq and Euston three ways to get from Euston to Kings Cross - Eastbound H&C Northbound Victoria or Southbound Northern The present Circle line arrangement throws up as many odd situations. Although the Gloucester Road to Hammersmith one is good! tom -- Ensure a star-man is never constructed! |
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On Wed, 3 Jan 2007, Clive D. W. Feather wrote:
In article , Tom Anderson writes Random PS - why didn't the Bakerloo get called the Regent Line, since it runs via Regent's Park and Regent Street? Because it was the Baker Street and Waterloo Railway. And it's brown on the maps because the Baker Street and Waterloo bus company had a brown livery. As Harry Hill put it, got to have a system. 'Bakerloo' makes me cringe every time i hear it. It made Der Manejment cringe for years before they decided to live with it. I look forward to making a similar whine about Crossrail. tom -- Ensure a star-man is never constructed! |
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On Wed, 3 Jan 2007 18:17:23 +0000, Tom Anderson wrote:
Having said that, I'd hazard a guess that the Hammersmith-Aldgate service won't run off-peak (otherwise why send the Met to Barking?), Hang on, what? What do you mean by the 'Hammersmith-Aldgate service'? I refer you to your previous post: "Metropolitan trains would run through from Liverpool Street to Barking, and the Hammersmith & City service would run partially to Aldgate..." Why won't it run off-peak? How is this related to the Met? Perhaps it was a bit of a leap, but I was thinking that if the Teacup service is 6tph off-peak, there might not be a need for additional trains from Hammersmith as the frequency on that branch would be high enough anyway. If the trains from Hammersmith to Barking don't run off-peak, there would be no through service between the East End and the northern Circle at those times - hence the Met/H&C Aldgate/Barking swap. Thinking about it a bit more, unless I'm missing something, the suggested service pattern seems to be hopelessly inefficient in terms of movements across Praed Street Junction. Let's assume the Wimbleware frequency is 6tph (as at present), the Teacup runs at 7tph peak / 6tph off-peak (same as the current Circle/H&C frequency), and suppose for now the Hammersmith-Aldgate frequency is 0tph. This results in exactly the same number of movements across Praed St Jn as at present. The frequency of trains from Edgware Road to each of Hammersmith, Wimbledon, and Gloucester Road (and beyond) stays the same, but the frequency of trains through to Baker Street and King's Cross is halved. That would, however, allow more trains to run through from the Met to the City (perhaps that's the whole idea?). Now add in say 6tph Hammersmith-Aldgate. This restores the frequency on all routes to present levels, except it doubles the frequency on the Hammersmith branch. This is, of course, good. However, Praed St Jn is now hopelessly congested. What am I missing here? |
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asdf wrote:
Now add in say 6tph Hammersmith-Aldgate. This restores the frequency on all routes to present levels, except it doubles the frequency on the Hammersmith branch. This is, of course, good. However, Praed St Jn is now hopelessly congested. What am I missing here? Two possibilities: - Hammermsith to Aldgate is a transitional stage before the T-Cup is introduced - Hammermsith to Aldgate will be an extension of the T-Cup service (ie trains will do a lap of the circle before terminating) U |
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On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 20:52:10 +0000, Colin McKenzie wrote:
It doesn't make much sense to make the longer line the slowest one here, and the shorter (Ealing Broadway) line the express. Surely Ealing Broadway would remain District too... the point of the plan is to increase Picc frequency to Heathrow, and sending Picc trains to Ealing Broadway would defeat the point of ceasing to serve Uxbridge. Anyway, didn't they rebuild a Sudbury station or two to have platforms level with the tube stock a few years ago? Maybe, but District to Ealing Broadway AND Uxbridge is the only solution that could eliminate all platforms served by trains of both sizes. Without this change, level wheelchair access cannot be achieved at Ealing Common or between Rayners Lane and Uxbridge. The southern Circle couldn't handle a fifth western destination - the frequency on each is bad enough with 4. Perhaps Ealing Broadway could be served instead by an Ealing Broadway - High Street Kensington service. Or the District service could even become a bit like the Met, with a proportion of trains from all branches terminating at HSK (cf Baker Street) instead of running onto the Circle. Here's an alternative idea, though it's a bit off the wall. By this time, the District will run under ATO. The driver won't actually drive the train (under normal circumstances), but will just press "go" and the train will drive itself to the next station. This would mean that, just like on the DLR, the driver wouldn't need to be sitting at the front end of the train - he could reside in an area with door controls (like the guard's areas on pre-DOO Tube stock), or roam the train (like on the DLR). Build a west-to-north curve so that trains can run through from Ealing Broadway to North Ealing. District trains to Uxbridge would run Central London - Ealing Common - Ealing Broadway (reverse) - North Ealing - Uxbridge. A reversal en route wouldn't be a problem as there'd be no need for the driver to change ends. Result: Ealing Broadway and Uxbridge branches both served; new local service to Ealing Broadway from the north; faster journey for London commuters (by changing to Crossrail at Ealing Broadway). You need less trains for an Ealing Broadway picc. branch than an Uxbridge picc. branch. Those extra trains could go towards the increased Heathrow frequency. I don't think complicating the District line even more is ever a good idea. Arguably, when Crossrail is built, Ealing Broadway won't need both District and Central trains to central London. Not everyone who takes the District goes to central London, though. The capacity might be better used to create north-south links to Richmond and Uxbridge, Harrow, or Willesden Junction. How do you mean? A Harrow-Ealing-Richmond orbital line would be very handy for a lot of people, but... |
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On 3 Jan 2007 14:02:26 -0800, chunky munky wrote:
There are a number of reasons why the District will end up at Uxbridge eventually (with the Picc going to Ealing Bdway?). - The Piccadilly will benefit from the additional rolling stock, when Terminal 5 opens. There is no new stock for many years yet. Some 1967 stock will become available soon. Some is going to the Bakerloo (for the Watford Junction extension), but I'm sure there'd be enough left for the Picc. There's also the 1983 stock still around that was supposed to be refurbished for use on the Picc. - The platform to train heights will be "level/ step free" between Rayners Lane and Uxbridge. As set out in the PPP Contract Curtail the Picc to Rayners Lane, with new platforms where the goods yard is now? |
The new service pattern on the Circle and H&C lines
On Wed, 3 Jan 2007 14:16:03 -0000, John Rowland wrote:
Personally I dont see why the Met line has to run to Barking? Because at the moment, the Met trains empty out in one direction and fill up in the other. It's better to have them filling up with new people as the old ones get out. And by swapping the eastern destinations of the Met and H&C, exactly the same thing happens with the H&C... |
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