I have sat in first class on a long distance train with a standard class
ticket with the aim to upgrade, and none of the crews have ever tried to
penalise me.

When the conductor takes my ticket, I simply say that I would like to
upgrade to first class, pay the difference and everybody is happy..

"Joyce Whitchurch" wrote in message
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Bill Harris wrote:

As an aside to this thread. Is it no lomger possible to upgrade to
First legitimately?

Only by doing so at the booking office, never on the train. The reason is
that otherwise, there's no "penalty" for upgrading on the train and many
people would just chance it.
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Joyce Whitchurch, Stalybridge, UK
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I have sat in first class on a long distance train with a standard class
ticket with the aim to upgrade, and none of the crews have ever tried to
penalise me.

Different rules apply in Penalty Fares areas.

You're correct that elsewhere on National Rail, unless you're using a Season
Ticket, there's no penalty for asking for an upgrade in 1st Class from an
ordinary walk-on Standard ticket beyond the appropriate difference in fares.
That being said, the fares structure nowadays is so convoluted that - except
for an upgrade to Weekend First - it might be quite difficult working out
what you'd actually end up being asked to pay.

--
Walter Mann

Walter Mann wrote:

You're correct that elsewhere on National Rail, unless you're using a
Season Ticket, there's no penalty for asking for an upgrade in 1st Class
from an ordinary walk-on Standard ticket beyond the appropriate difference
in fares.

Why no option to upgrade on an individual journey when using a Season
Ticket?

Tim Roll-Pickering wrote:

Why no option to upgrade on an individual journey when using a Season
Ticket?

ISTR that this is (or was) possible, and the charge is the difference
between the Standard Open/Day Single and First Open/Day Single fares,
depending on which is available for that journey (rarely will you find
both). It has to be paid before boarding if there is a facility to do
so, which is a bit of a pain because the only reason I would ever do it
is if I saw Standard to be so busy that it would be seriously
unpleasant to travel therein.

Neil

"Neil Williams" wrote in message
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Tim Roll-Pickering wrote:

Why no option to upgrade on an individual journey when using a Season
Ticket?

ISTR that this is (or was) possible, and the charge is the difference
between the Standard Open/Day Single and First Open/Day Single fares,
depending on which is available for that journey (rarely will you find
both). It has to be paid before boarding if there is a facility to do
so, which is a bit of a pain because the only reason I would ever do it
is if I saw Standard to be so busy that it would be seriously
unpleasant to travel therein.

The context was paying on board, not upgrading in advance, which you
address, though your qualification "if there is a facility for doing so"
isn't specifically referred to in :

http://nationalrail.co.uk/system/gal...misc/NRCOC.pdf
[Condition 39]

which simply says that if you haven't done it an advance you are treated as
having no ticket.

In answer to the question "why", I can only assume it's a response to the
perceived risk of abuse.

--
Walter Mann