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Bus destination blinds - how are they decided?
On Apr 2, 6:21 pm, "MaxB" wrote:
"David F" wrote in message oups.com... On 2 Apr, 14:41, wrote: For as long as I've been taking it (i.e. at least 7 years), the 47 has shown a destination of "Catford Bus Garage". Today I noticed that the new destination blinds now say "Bellingham" in large letters, with "Catford Bus Garage" in smaller letters next to it. Just wondering, who makes these decisions? Is there some sort of consultation process, or is it just someone in head office? Please god let it be the latter ... a consultation process (no matter how small a process) for something as minor as this would be an extraordinary waste of money. D. Why do buses going to the same terminus at Lewisham sometimes say "Lewisham" or "Lewisham Station" and sometimes "Lewisham DLR". It must be a committee! Of course, you can't actually go to the bus garage, they expect you to get off before then! That might imply that each bus company designs its own, rather than them being imposed by TfL. Is there a correlation between the different versions and the company? |
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Bus destination blinds - how are they decided?
On 3 Apr 2007 04:31:08 -0700, "MIG"
wrote: That might imply that each bus company designs its own, rather than them being imposed by TfL. Is there a correlation between the different versions and the company? At least TfL don't have buses running round with "Wolverhampton" on the blind with the "hamp" coloured in in black pen to make it say "Wolver ton", nor with "Blecthley" on, nor other sillies as can be seen on the contracted evening services in Milton Keynes. Perhaps we should be grateful that it isn't just a bit of A4 in the windscreen... Neil -- Neil Williams Put my first name before the at to reply. |
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On Apr 3, 9:16 pm, (Neil Williams)
wrote: On 3 Apr 2007 04:31:08 -0700, "MIG" wrote: That might imply that each bus company designs its own, rather than them being imposed by TfL. Is there a correlation between the different versions and the company? At least TfL don't have buses running round with "Wolverhampton" on the blind with the "hamp" coloured in in black pen to make it say "Wolver ton", nor with "Blecthley" on, nor other sillies as can be seen on the contracted evening services in Milton Keynes. Perhaps we should be grateful that it isn't just a bit of A4 in the windscreen... Although a few years ago on the 185 (which goes to Lewisham as it happens), there was a real mixture of almost-museum-piece buses from various counties, with carboard destinations in the front windows and so on. Maybe someone else can remember the story of the operator which went bust, resulting in that situation. I think the 185 was the only route they had run. |
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In message om, MIG
writes Although a few years ago on the 185 (which goes to Lewisham as it happens), there was a real mixture of almost-museum-piece buses from various counties, with carboard destinations in the front windows and so on. Maybe someone else can remember the story of the operator which went bust, resulting in that situation. I think the 185 was the only route they had run. I remember when the ex-WMPTE Volvo Ailsas were running in North London (can't remember the route). They still had signs inside inviting comments or complaints to 16 Summer Lane, Birmingham! I often wondered if any correspondence made its way there. Given that Brum also has a "Highgate" that could have caused some interesting confusion! -- Ian Jelf, MITG Birmingham, UK Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of England http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk |
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Bus destination blinds - how are they decided?
On 3 Apr 2007 14:45:18 -0700, "MIG"
wrote: On Apr 3, 9:16 pm, (Neil Williams) wrote: On 3 Apr 2007 04:31:08 -0700, "MIG" wrote: That might imply that each bus company designs its own, rather than them being imposed by TfL. Is there a correlation between the different versions and the company? At least TfL don't have buses running round with "Wolverhampton" on the blind with the "hamp" coloured in in black pen to make it say "Wolver ton", nor with "Blecthley" on, nor other sillies as can be seen on the contracted evening services in Milton Keynes. Perhaps we should be grateful that it isn't just a bit of A4 in the windscreen... Although a few years ago on the 185 (which goes to Lewisham as it happens), there was a real mixture of almost-museum-piece buses from various counties, with carboard destinations in the front windows and so on. Maybe someone else can remember the story of the operator which went bust, resulting in that situation. I think the 185 was the only route they had run. It was shortly after I moved house, IIRC, and it was rather bizarre. |
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On 3 Apr 2007 14:45:18 -0700, "MIG" wrote:
On Apr 3, 9:16 pm, (Neil Williams) wrote: On 3 Apr 2007 04:31:08 -0700, "MIG" wrote: That might imply that each bus company designs its own, rather than them being imposed by TfL. Is there a correlation between the different versions and the company? At least TfL don't have buses running round with "Wolverhampton" on the blind with the "hamp" coloured in in black pen to make it say "Wolver ton", nor with "Blecthley" on, nor other sillies as can be seen on the contracted evening services in Milton Keynes. Perhaps we should be grateful that it isn't just a bit of A4 in the windscreen... Although a few years ago on the 185 (which goes to Lewisham as it happens), there was a real mixture of almost-museum-piece buses from various counties, with carboard destinations in the front windows and so on. Maybe someone else can remember the story of the operator which went bust, resulting in that situation. I think the 185 was the only route they had run. You are referring to London Easylink [1] - they ran the 42 and 185. The company basically went bust because the MD, I think but am happy to be corrected, siphoned off a load of the companies money to fund his mistress. When the company collapsed TfL had to put emergency arrangements in place that led to the multi operator scenario on the 185. Initially Blue Triangle were put in charge of pulling together the emergency contract on the 185; http://www.busesatwork.co.uk/Routes/185.htm The 42 went straight to East Thames Buses - probably because it was a smaller scale operation and could be taken on quickly. http://www.busesatwork.co.uk/Routes/042.htm In the circumstances I'd rather have a bus and then worry about whether it has a piece of cardboard in the window. Blinds were improvised pretty quickly though. In the end the routes were transferred to the TfL "internal contractor of last resort" - East Thames Buses, where both routes remain today. [1] a bus operation set up by Durham Travel Services who were based in the North East of England. They started business off the back of former National Bus Company subsidiaries divesting themselves of National Express scheduled coach workings. DTS took over these Nat Ex contracts. -- Paul C Admits to working for London Underground! |
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On Apr 4, 6:50 pm, Paul Corfield wrote:
On 3 Apr 2007 14:45:18 -0700, "MIG" wrote: On Apr 3, 9:16 pm, (Neil Williams) wrote: On 3 Apr 2007 04:31:08 -0700, "MIG" wrote: That might imply that each bus company designs its own, rather than them being imposed by TfL. Is there a correlation between the different versions and the company? At least TfL don't have buses running round with "Wolverhampton" on the blind with the "hamp" coloured in in black pen to make it say "Wolver ton", nor with "Blecthley" on, nor other sillies as can be seen on the contracted evening services in Milton Keynes. Perhaps we should be grateful that it isn't just a bit of A4 in the windscreen... Although a few years ago on the 185 (which goes to Lewisham as it happens), there was a real mixture of almost-museum-piece buses from various counties, with carboard destinations in the front windows and so on. Maybe someone else can remember the story of the operator which went bust, resulting in that situation. I think the 185 was the only route they had run. You are referring to London Easylink [1] - they ran the 42 and 185. The company basically went bust because the MD, I think but am happy to be corrected, siphoned off a load of the companies money to fund his mistress. When the company collapsed TfL had to put emergency arrangements in place that led to the multi operator scenario on the 185. Initially Blue Triangle were put in charge of pulling together the emergency contract on the 185; http://www.busesatwork.co.uk/Routes/185.htm The 42 went straight to East Thames Buses - probably because it was a smaller scale operation and could be taken on quickly. http://www.busesatwork.co.uk/Routes/042.htm In the circumstances I'd rather have a bus and then worry about whether it has a piece of cardboard in the window. Blinds were improvised pretty quickly though. I don't remember anyone complaining. It was all quite fun, travelling from Victoria to Vauxhall and wondering what might turn up next. |
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Bus destination blinds - how are they decided?
On 3 Apr 2007 04:31:08 -0700, "MIG" wrote:
On Apr 2, 6:21 pm, "MaxB" wrote: Why do buses going to the same terminus at Lewisham sometimes say "Lewisham" or "Lewisham Station" and sometimes "Lewisham DLR". It must be a committee! No there wasn't a committee in place which is why you get the spread of names. To be fair there are three main terminating points in Lewisham - Tescos, the NR / DLR / Bus station area and Molesworth Street. They are all geographically separate so should be differentiated (IMO). Of course, you can't actually go to the bus garage, they expect you to get off before then! There isn't a bus *garage* in Lewisham. Do you mean the station? That might imply that each bus company designs its own, rather than them being imposed by TfL. Is there a correlation between the different versions and the company? Bus companies certainly have designed their own blinds before the recent introduction of the TfL committee. I believe there was still a level of central checking in the old days but it's much more tightly controlled now. Not necessarily a correlation although First's blinds have probably been the most distinctive in terms of different practice - such as use of the LU and NR symbols to indicate stations. -- Paul C Admits to working for London Underground! |
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Bus destination blinds - how are they decided?
"Paul Corfield" wrote in message
... On 3 Apr 2007 04:31:08 -0700, "MIG" wrote: On Apr 2, 6:21 pm, "MaxB" wrote: Why do buses going to the same terminus at Lewisham sometimes say "Lewisham" or "Lewisham Station" and sometimes "Lewisham DLR". It must be a committee! No there wasn't a committee in place which is why you get the spread of names. To be fair there are three main terminating points in Lewisham - Tescos, the NR / DLR / Bus station area and Molesworth Street. They are all geographically separate so should be differentiated (IMO). Of course, you can't actually go to the bus garage, they expect you to get off before then! There isn't a bus *garage* in Lewisham. Do you mean the station? (Snip) I was referring to the OP's original point about Catford Bus garage (which of course isn't in Catford either!). MaxB |
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