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On Jun 19, 2:14 pm, Boltar wrote:
Just saw a Network Rail test train go over the bridge southbound, top
and tailed with a pair of class 37s. Not sure if they came up the
incline from City Thameslink. Probably was quite a loud event if they
did, pity I missed it.

B2003


They reversed at Blackfriars; the route (IIRC but ICBW) was Selhurst -
Blackfriars (went to Victoria instead as the paperwork for allowing
37/6s across the bridge had not been approved, allegedly) - Hayes -
Blackfriars - Cannon Street- Blackfriars - Clapham Junction -
Blackfriars - Tulse Hill - Clapham Junction - Kensington Olympia -
Clapham Jn - Selhurst. Made for some interesting pix in the Cannon
Street - Blackfriars area. AFIAA, only 33s and 73s are allowed through
the Thameslink tunnels and beyond as far as Kentish Town.


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On 19 Jun, 22:32, wrote:
Street - Blackfriars area. AFIAA, only 33s and 73s are allowed through
the Thameslink tunnels and beyond as far as Kentish Town.


Whats the reason for the restriction , is it loading gauge or
gradiants or something else entirely?

B2003


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Boltar wrote:
On 19 Jun, 22:32, wrote:
Street - Blackfriars area. AFIAA, only 33s and 73s are allowed through
the Thameslink tunnels and beyond as far as Kentish Town.


Whats the reason for the restriction , is it loading gauge or
gradiants or something else entirely?

B2003


Height of the tunnels?

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Boltar wrote:
On 19 Jun, 22:32, wrote:
Street - Blackfriars area. AFIAA, only 33s and 73s are allowed
through the Thameslink tunnels and beyond as far as Kentish Town.


Whats the reason for the restriction , is it loading gauge or
gradiants or something else entirely?


Height of the tunnels?


ISTR it's carriage length, because of the sharp curve around St Pancras.


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®i©ardo wrote:
Boltar wrote:
On 19 Jun, 22:32, wrote:
Street - Blackfriars area. AFIAA, only 33s and 73s are allowed
through the Thameslink tunnels and beyond as far as Kentish Town.

Whats the reason for the restriction , is it loading gauge or
gradiants or something else entirely?


Height of the tunnels?


ISTR it's carriage length, because of the sharp curve around St Pancras.


If I recall right, there were only certain class 31s allowed to haul the
trains through hotel curve to Kings Cross for a similar reason.

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John wrote:
In article , John Rowland
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®i©ardo wrote:
Boltar wrote:
On 19 Jun, 22:32, wrote:
Street - Blackfriars area. AFIAA, only 33s and 73s are allowed
through the Thameslink tunnels and beyond as far as Kentish Town.

Whats the reason for the restriction , is it loading gauge or
gradiants or something else entirely?

Height of the tunnels?


ISTR it's carriage length, because of the sharp curve around St
Pancras.


If I recall right, there were only certain class 31s allowed to haul
the trains through hotel curve to Kings Cross for a similar reason.


Aren't the Thameslink carriages curved in at each end to go around St
Pancras?


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On 21 Jun, 05:18, "John Rowland"
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John wrote:
In article , John Rowland
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®i©ardo wrote:
Boltar wrote:
On 19 Jun, 22:32, wrote:
Street - Blackfriars area. AFIAA, only 33s and 73s are allowed
through the Thameslink tunnels and beyond as far as Kentish Town.


Whats the reason for the restriction , is it loading gauge or
gradiants or something else entirely?


Height of the tunnels?


ISTR it's carriage length, because of the sharp curve around St
Pancras.


If I recall right, there were only certain class 31s allowed to haul
the trains through hotel curve to Kings Cross for a similar reason.


Aren't the Thameslink carriages curved in at each end to go around St
Pancras?


Surely the clearances arn't *that* tight? Besides , didn't they
extensively rebuild that part of the tunnel in the last few years?
Perhaps they improved the clearances while they were at it and these
restrictions no longer apply.

B2003

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On Thu, Jun 21, 2007 at 05:18:05AM +0100, John Rowland wrote:

Aren't the Thameslink carriages curved in at each end


No more than countless similar carriages on the rest of the network.

to go around St Pancras?


Umm, on a curve, it's the *middle* of the carriage that comes closest to
the tunnel walls, not the ends.

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