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®i©ardo wrote:
Boltar wrote:
On 19 Jun, 22:32, wrote:
Street - Blackfriars area. AFIAA, only 33s and 73s are allowed
through the Thameslink tunnels and beyond as far as Kentish Town.


Whats the reason for the restriction , is it loading gauge or
gradiants or something else entirely?


Height of the tunnels?


ISTR it's carriage length, because of the sharp curve around St Pancras.


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®i©ardo wrote:
Boltar wrote:
On 19 Jun, 22:32, wrote:
Street - Blackfriars area. AFIAA, only 33s and 73s are allowed
through the Thameslink tunnels and beyond as far as Kentish Town.

Whats the reason for the restriction , is it loading gauge or
gradiants or something else entirely?


Height of the tunnels?


ISTR it's carriage length, because of the sharp curve around St Pancras.


If I recall right, there were only certain class 31s allowed to haul the
trains through hotel curve to Kings Cross for a similar reason.

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John wrote:
In article , John Rowland
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®i©ardo wrote:
Boltar wrote:
On 19 Jun, 22:32, wrote:
Street - Blackfriars area. AFIAA, only 33s and 73s are allowed
through the Thameslink tunnels and beyond as far as Kentish Town.

Whats the reason for the restriction , is it loading gauge or
gradiants or something else entirely?

Height of the tunnels?


ISTR it's carriage length, because of the sharp curve around St
Pancras.


If I recall right, there were only certain class 31s allowed to haul
the trains through hotel curve to Kings Cross for a similar reason.


Aren't the Thameslink carriages curved in at each end to go around St
Pancras?


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On 21 Jun, 05:18, "John Rowland"
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John wrote:
In article , John Rowland
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®i©ardo wrote:
Boltar wrote:
On 19 Jun, 22:32, wrote:
Street - Blackfriars area. AFIAA, only 33s and 73s are allowed
through the Thameslink tunnels and beyond as far as Kentish Town.


Whats the reason for the restriction , is it loading gauge or
gradiants or something else entirely?


Height of the tunnels?


ISTR it's carriage length, because of the sharp curve around St
Pancras.


If I recall right, there were only certain class 31s allowed to haul
the trains through hotel curve to Kings Cross for a similar reason.


Aren't the Thameslink carriages curved in at each end to go around St
Pancras?


Surely the clearances arn't *that* tight? Besides , didn't they
extensively rebuild that part of the tunnel in the last few years?
Perhaps they improved the clearances while they were at it and these
restrictions no longer apply.

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On Thu, Jun 21, 2007 at 05:18:05AM +0100, John Rowland wrote:

Aren't the Thameslink carriages curved in at each end


No more than countless similar carriages on the rest of the network.

to go around St Pancras?


Umm, on a curve, it's the *middle* of the carriage that comes closest to
the tunnel walls, not the ends.

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David Cantrell wrote:

Umm, on a curve, it's the *middle* of the carriage that comes closest
to the tunnel walls, not the ends.


Depends on the direction of the curve.


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Centre and end throws exist depending on relative lengths of
wheelbase, overhang, etc.

AFAIUI most stock is designed to balance the effects of these throws.

Note that on a tight radius the passing clearance between vehicles
will be a function of both throws.

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