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In article . com,
(MIG) wrote:

Thanks. It's interesting that the movements were stopped due to the
condition of the bridge. A similarly arranged flyover bridge was
demolished in Putney due to its condition (although the other track
remains in use). I wonder if a particular design had problems or it
was just down to neglect.

Having known both bridges I doubt there was any significant common design
elements and it was plain neglect.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

I still think that the best thing they could do is extend the ELL to Finsbury Park and then in the future extend it to Highgate/Muswell Hill/Ally Pally. One bit at a time.

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On 14 Aug, 13:29, somersetchris somersetchris.
wrote:
I still think that the best thing they could do is extend the ELL to
Finsbury Park and then in the future extend it to Highgate/Muswell
Hill/Ally Pally. One bit at a time.

What's your solution to the flat-junction-with-NLL-in-steep-cutting-
with-houses-on-both-sides-hence-no-room-for-flyover problem, then?

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

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On Tue, 14 Aug 2007, John B wrote:

On 14 Aug, 13:29, somersetchris somersetchris.
wrote:

I still think that the best thing they could do is extend the ELL to
Finsbury Park

Yes.

and then in the future extend it to Highgate/Muswell Hill/Ally Pally.
One bit at a time.

No. The people who live in those areas currently use buses and the
Northern and Victoria lines to get to central parts of town. Giving them a
service which runs to the east end and the back of beyond isn't going to
change their travel habits (unless they work right at the east end of the
City, where they can walk from Shoreditch High Street).

A resurrected Northern Heights line should connect to the Moorgate line.
Yes, that line is busy, but it's still only something like 15 tph in the
peaks - there's room for more, if the junction to the branch is fully
graded.

What's your solution to the flat-junction-with-NLL-in-steep-cutting-
with-houses-on-both-sides-hence-no-room-for-flyover problem, then?

Ski jump. Offset the cost by selling spectator's tickets.

tom

--
the meaning is the illocutionary force of interrogativeness with no
propositional content -- Geoffrey K. Pullum

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On 14 Aug, 17:57, Tom Anderson wrote:
On Tue, 14 Aug 2007, John B wrote:
On 14 Aug, 13:29, somersetchris somersetchris.
wrote:

I still think that the best thing they could do is extend the ELL to
Finsbury Park

Yes.

and then in the future extend it to Highgate/Muswell Hill/Ally Pally.
One bit at a time.

No. The people who live in those areas currently use buses and the
Northern and Victoria lines to get to central parts of town. Giving them a
service which runs to the east end and the back of beyond isn't going to
change their travel habits (unless they work right at the east end of the
City, where they can walk from Shoreditch High Street).


No one seems to be bothered about the people in Brockley, Honour Oak
etc, whose currently overloaded services to London Bridge are to be
diverted to the back of the same beyond ... but I agree.


A resurrected Northern Heights line should connect to the Moorgate line.
Yes, that line is busy, but it's still only something like 15 tph in the
peaks - there's room for more, if the junction to the branch is fully
graded.


Presumably rebuilding the bridge over the main line, but I am not sure
if some of the land by the park is still available. Certainly some
tennis courts there now by the look of it, but there could be more.


What's your solution to the flat-junction-with-NLL-in-steep-cutting-
with-houses-on-both-sides-hence-no-room-for-flyover problem, then?

Ski jump. Offset the cost by selling spectator's tickets.

tom

--
the meaning is the illocutionary force of interrogativeness with no
propositional content -- Geoffrey K. Pullum

There will be a flat junction at Dalston which will have the lines from Stratford and the ELL meeting. There will also be a flat junction so both of these lines can access both number 1 and 2 lines through Highbury & Islington. So that is where the flat junction will be anyway, so why not use it and then send the trains via Canonbury tunnel to Finsbury Park?

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On Aug 14, 11:14 pm, somersetchris somersetchris.
wrote:
There will be a flat junction at Dalston which will have the lines from
Stratford and the ELL meeting.

One flat junction.

There will also be a flat junction so both of these lines can access
both number 1 and 2 lines through Highbury & Islington.

Two flat junctions.

send the trains via Canonbury tunnel to Finsbury Park

Three flat junctions.

And the first flat junction is on the two track bottleneck, whereas a
direct ELL to Number 2 lines connection (to reach Highbury) requires a
single flat junction that only conflicts with trains on the Number 2
lines.

(Of course trains to Finsbury Park could use the same connection, but
then they'd need a fourth flat junction to join the Number 1 lines,
resulting in the same number of conflicts. You can't win)

U

--
http://londonconnections.blogspot.com/
A blog about transport projects in London

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On Tue, 14 Aug 2007, MIG wrote:

On 14 Aug, 17:57, Tom Anderson wrote:
On Tue, 14 Aug 2007, John B wrote:
On 14 Aug, 13:29, somersetchris somersetchris.
wrote:

I still think that the best thing they could do is extend the ELL to
Finsbury Park and then in the future extend it to Highgate/Muswell
Hill/Ally Pally. One bit at a time.

No. The people who live in those areas currently use buses and the
Northern and Victoria lines to get to central parts of town. Giving
them a service which runs to the east end and the back of beyond isn't
going to change their travel habits (unless they work right at the east
end of the City, where they can walk from Shoreditch High Street).

No one seems to be bothered about the people in Brockley, Honour Oak
etc, whose currently overloaded services to London Bridge are to be
diverted to the back of the same beyond

I am! But that's an argument that's already lost.

A resurrected Northern Heights line should connect to the Moorgate
line. Yes, that line is busy, but it's still only something like 15 tph
in the peaks - there's room for more, if the junction to the branch is
fully graded.

Presumably rebuilding the bridge over the main line, but I am not sure
if some of the land by the park is still available. Certainly some
tennis courts there now by the look of it, but there could be more.

It is possible to knock these things down. Some combination of expensive
and unpopular (the more you spend on compensating improvements to the
park, the less unpopular it will be), but possible.

Getting rid of the greenway trail will be unpopular in itself, of course.

Maybe Hornsey depot could be converted into a park? :)

tom

--
Throwin' Lyle's liquor away is like pickin' a fight with a meat packing
plant! -- Ray Smuckles

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"MIG" wrote in message
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No one seems to be bothered about the people in Brockley, Honour Oak
etc, whose currently overloaded services to London Bridge are to be
diverted to the back of the same beyond ... but I agree.


Not to mention shrunk from the 8, 10, or 12 car trains that NR are
proposing, to the 4 car that will fit the Thames tunnel platforms, however
impressive the frequency is...

Paul

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On 15 Aug, 13:47, Tom Anderson wrote:


Getting rid of the greenway trail will be unpopular in itself, of course.

Maybe Hornsey depot could be converted into a park? :)



Trouble is, the trail is a vital part of the Capital Ring footpath
network. If you convert it back to a railway, you'll have to find
other trails connecting Highgate to Finsbury Park to replace it. (Or
find an alternative route for the Capital Ring to get from Finchley to
Stoke Newington avoiding Highgate and Finsbury Park altogether.)