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Bit bloody useless for all of the passengers living in
the M4 corridor for whom Heathrow is usefully situated.

Ask yourself which came first Heathrow Airport or the M4
corridor and its passengers that live there.
Hum, when was the mainline railway built?

Relevence?
Why would they build a mainline railway to an area with
no people in it.

tim


To (in this case) to get to Bristol and the transatlantic
shipping trade, same applies to Southamppton and Plymouth.
Swindon was just a convienient place to put a workshop,
railway more or lesss followed the track of the Bath Road an
ancient track and a turnpike.
Not totally acurate. What became the present mainline railway
was initially proposed by Bristolians to move their goods to
London and the railway doesn't follow the Bath Road.


Then they must have moved it since I was a kid.
Nope, try looking at a map. (Which is not to say that the two
don't get close and even cross in one or two places between
London and Reading.)
Which is what I said in the first place.
You said, "railway more or lesss followed the track of the Bath
Road an ancient track and a turnpike" indicates that the two are
close to each other for most or all of the distance, they're not.
Except for a couple of locations, they don't even get close.



More or less, all the implications are your fantasies.


That's about as close to an apology as I'm likely to get from you so
I suppose it will have to suffice.


Whatever, I see it more as ask a silly question, get a silly answer,
perhaps you should modify your interrogtion technique,


Try checking your facts rather than relying on seventy-five year old
memories of a limited area.



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Brimstone wrote:
NM wrote:
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NM wrote:
Brimstone wrote:
NM wrote:
Brimstone wrote:
NM wrote:
Brimstone wrote:
NM wrote:
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tim..... wrote:
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Bit bloody useless for all of the passengers living in
the M4 corridor for whom Heathrow is usefully situated.

Ask yourself which came first Heathrow Airport or the M4
corridor and its passengers that live there.
Hum, when was the mainline railway built?

Relevence?
Why would they build a mainline railway to an area with
no people in it.

tim


To (in this case) to get to Bristol and the transatlantic
shipping trade, same applies to Southamppton and Plymouth.
Swindon was just a convienient place to put a workshop,
railway more or lesss followed the track of the Bath Road an
ancient track and a turnpike.
Not totally acurate. What became the present mainline railway
was initially proposed by Bristolians to move their goods to
London and the railway doesn't follow the Bath Road.


Then they must have moved it since I was a kid.
Nope, try looking at a map. (Which is not to say that the two
don't get close and even cross in one or two places between
London and Reading.)
Which is what I said in the first place.
You said, "railway more or lesss followed the track of the Bath
Road an ancient track and a turnpike" indicates that the two are
close to each other for most or all of the distance, they're not.
Except for a couple of locations, they don't even get close.



More or less, all the implications are your fantasies.
That's about as close to an apology as I'm likely to get from you so
I suppose it will have to suffice.


Whatever, I see it more as ask a silly question, get a silly answer,
perhaps you should modify your interrogtion technique,


Try checking your facts rather than relying on seventy-five year old
memories of a limited area.


OK, if you try not to jump in with an irrelevent question soley posed
with trolling in mind.
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Default "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.

NM wrote:
Brimstone wrote:
NM wrote:
Brimstone wrote:
NM wrote:
Brimstone wrote:
NM wrote:
Brimstone wrote:
NM wrote:
Brimstone wrote:
NM wrote:
tim..... wrote:
"NM" wrote in message
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tim..... wrote:
"allan tracy" wrote in
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Bit bloody useless for all of the passengers living in
the M4 corridor for whom Heathrow is usefully situated.

Ask yourself which came first Heathrow Airport or the M4
corridor and its passengers that live there.
Hum, when was the mainline railway built?

Relevence?
Why would they build a mainline railway to an area with
no people in it.

tim


To (in this case) to get to Bristol and the transatlantic
shipping trade, same applies to Southamppton and Plymouth.
Swindon was just a convienient place to put a workshop,
railway more or lesss followed the track of the Bath Road an
ancient track and a turnpike.
Not totally acurate. What became the present mainline railway
was initially proposed by Bristolians to move their goods to
London and the railway doesn't follow the Bath Road.


Then they must have moved it since I was a kid.
Nope, try looking at a map. (Which is not to say that the two
don't get close and even cross in one or two places between
London and Reading.)
Which is what I said in the first place.
You said, "railway more or lesss followed the track of the Bath
Road an ancient track and a turnpike" indicates that the two are
close to each other for most or all of the distance, they're not.
Except for a couple of locations, they don't even get close.



More or less, all the implications are your fantasies.
That's about as close to an apology as I'm likely to get from you
so I suppose it will have to suffice.


Whatever, I see it more as ask a silly question, get a silly answer,
perhaps you should modify your interrogtion technique,


Try checking your facts rather than relying on seventy-five year old
memories of a limited area.


OK, if you try not to jump in with an irrelevent question soley posed
with trolling in mind.


I didn't pose a question. You made the troling comment and now you can't
handle it when found out.


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Default "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.

Brimstone wrote:
NM wrote:
Brimstone wrote:
NM wrote:
Brimstone wrote:
NM wrote:
Brimstone wrote:
NM wrote:
Brimstone wrote:
NM wrote:
Brimstone wrote:
NM wrote:
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"NM" wrote in message
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tim..... wrote:
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Bit bloody useless for all of the passengers living in
the M4 corridor for whom Heathrow is usefully situated.

Ask yourself which came first Heathrow Airport or the M4
corridor and its passengers that live there.
Hum, when was the mainline railway built?

Relevence?
Why would they build a mainline railway to an area with
no people in it.

tim


To (in this case) to get to Bristol and the transatlantic
shipping trade, same applies to Southamppton and Plymouth.
Swindon was just a convienient place to put a workshop,
railway more or lesss followed the track of the Bath Road an
ancient track and a turnpike.
Not totally acurate. What became the present mainline railway
was initially proposed by Bristolians to move their goods to
London and the railway doesn't follow the Bath Road.


Then they must have moved it since I was a kid.
Nope, try looking at a map. (Which is not to say that the two
don't get close and even cross in one or two places between
London and Reading.)
Which is what I said in the first place.
You said, "railway more or lesss followed the track of the Bath
Road an ancient track and a turnpike" indicates that the two are
close to each other for most or all of the distance, they're not.
Except for a couple of locations, they don't even get close.



More or less, all the implications are your fantasies.
That's about as close to an apology as I'm likely to get from you
so I suppose it will have to suffice.


Whatever, I see it more as ask a silly question, get a silly answer,
perhaps you should modify your interrogtion technique,
Try checking your facts rather than relying on seventy-five year old
memories of a limited area.


OK, if you try not to jump in with an irrelevent question soley posed
with trolling in mind.


I didn't pose a question. You made the troling comment and now you can't
handle it when found out.


Handle it? You are taking the ****, do you think I give a flying ****
what you think.
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Old August 18th 07, 06:39 AM posted to uk.transport,uk.transport.london,uk.transport.air
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Default "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.


"NM" wrote in message
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Brimstone wrote:
NM wrote:
Brimstone wrote:
NM wrote:
Brimstone wrote:
NM wrote:
Brimstone wrote:
NM wrote:
Brimstone wrote:
NM wrote:
Brimstone wrote:
NM wrote:
tim..... wrote:
"NM" wrote in message
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tim..... wrote:
"allan tracy" wrote in
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Bit bloody useless for all of the passengers living in
the M4 corridor for whom Heathrow is usefully situated.

Ask yourself which came first Heathrow Airport or the M4
corridor and its passengers that live there.
Hum, when was the mainline railway built?

Relevence?
Why would they build a mainline railway to an area with
no people in it.

tim


To (in this case) to get to Bristol and the transatlantic
shipping trade, same applies to Southamppton and Plymouth.
Swindon was just a convienient place to put a workshop,
railway more or lesss followed the track of the Bath Road an
ancient track and a turnpike.
Not totally acurate. What became the present mainline railway
was initially proposed by Bristolians to move their goods to
London and the railway doesn't follow the Bath Road.


Then they must have moved it since I was a kid.
Nope, try looking at a map. (Which is not to say that the two
don't get close and even cross in one or two places between
London and Reading.)
Which is what I said in the first place.
You said, "railway more or lesss followed the track of the Bath
Road an ancient track and a turnpike" indicates that the two are
close to each other for most or all of the distance, they're not.
Except for a couple of locations, they don't even get close.



More or less, all the implications are your fantasies.
That's about as close to an apology as I'm likely to get from you
so I suppose it will have to suffice.


Whatever, I see it more as ask a silly question, get a silly answer,
perhaps you should modify your interrogtion technique,
Try checking your facts rather than relying on seventy-five year old
memories of a limited area.


OK, if you try not to jump in with an irrelevent question soley posed
with trolling in mind.


I didn't pose a question. You made the troling comment and now you can't
handle it when found out.

Handle it? You are taking the ****, do you think I give a flying **** what
you think.


Now you're just wriggling. What I think doesn't matter. The fact that you
have got you knickers in a twist and are wriggling around trying straighten
them says enough.




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Brimstone wrote:
"NM" wrote in message
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Brimstone wrote:
NM wrote:
Brimstone wrote:
NM wrote:
Brimstone wrote:
NM wrote:
Brimstone wrote:
NM wrote:
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NM wrote:
Brimstone wrote:
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tim..... wrote:
"NM" wrote in message
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tim..... wrote:
"allan tracy" wrote in
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Bit bloody useless for all of the passengers living in
the M4 corridor for whom Heathrow is usefully situated.

Ask yourself which came first Heathrow Airport or the M4
corridor and its passengers that live there.
Hum, when was the mainline railway built?

Relevence?
Why would they build a mainline railway to an area with
no people in it.

tim


To (in this case) to get to Bristol and the transatlantic
shipping trade, same applies to Southamppton and Plymouth.
Swindon was just a convienient place to put a workshop,
railway more or lesss followed the track of the Bath Road an
ancient track and a turnpike.
Not totally acurate. What became the present mainline railway
was initially proposed by Bristolians to move their goods to
London and the railway doesn't follow the Bath Road.


Then they must have moved it since I was a kid.
Nope, try looking at a map. (Which is not to say that the two
don't get close and even cross in one or two places between
London and Reading.)
Which is what I said in the first place.
You said, "railway more or lesss followed the track of the Bath
Road an ancient track and a turnpike" indicates that the two are
close to each other for most or all of the distance, they're not.
Except for a couple of locations, they don't even get close.



More or less, all the implications are your fantasies.
That's about as close to an apology as I'm likely to get from you
so I suppose it will have to suffice.


Whatever, I see it more as ask a silly question, get a silly answer,
perhaps you should modify your interrogtion technique,
Try checking your facts rather than relying on seventy-five year old
memories of a limited area.


OK, if you try not to jump in with an irrelevent question soley posed
with trolling in mind.
I didn't pose a question. You made the troling comment and now you can't
handle it when found out.

Handle it? You are taking the ****, do you think I give a flying **** what
you think.


Now you're just wriggling. What I think doesn't matter. The fact that you
have got you knickers in a twist and are wriggling around trying straighten
them says enough.


Dream on.
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Default "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.

NM wrote:
Brimstone wrote:
"NM" wrote in message
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Brimstone wrote:
NM wrote:
Brimstone wrote:
NM wrote:
Brimstone wrote:
NM wrote:
Brimstone wrote:
NM wrote:
Brimstone wrote:
NM wrote:
Brimstone wrote:
NM wrote:
tim..... wrote:
"NM" wrote in message
...
tim..... wrote:
"allan tracy" wrote in
message
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Bit bloody useless for all of the passengers
living in the M4 corridor for whom Heathrow is
usefully situated.
Ask yourself which came first Heathrow Airport or
the M4 corridor and its passengers that live there.
Hum, when was the mainline railway built?

Relevence?
Why would they build a mainline railway to an area with
no people in it.

tim


To (in this case) to get to Bristol and the
transatlantic shipping trade, same applies to
Southamppton and Plymouth. Swindon was just a
convienient place to put a workshop, railway more or
lesss followed the track of the Bath Road an ancient
track and a turnpike.
Not totally acurate. What became the present mainline
railway was initially proposed by Bristolians to move
their goods to London and the railway doesn't follow the
Bath Road.
Then they must have moved it since I was a kid.
Nope, try looking at a map. (Which is not to say that the
two don't get close and even cross in one or two places
between London and Reading.)
Which is what I said in the first place.
You said, "railway more or lesss followed the track of the
Bath Road an ancient track and a turnpike" indicates that
the two are close to each other for most or all of the
distance, they're not. Except for a couple of locations,
they don't even get close.
More or less, all the implications are your fantasies.
That's about as close to an apology as I'm likely to get from
you so I suppose it will have to suffice.


Whatever, I see it more as ask a silly question, get a silly
answer, perhaps you should modify your interrogtion technique,
Try checking your facts rather than relying on seventy-five year
old memories of a limited area.


OK, if you try not to jump in with an irrelevent question soley
posed with trolling in mind.
I didn't pose a question. You made the troling comment and now you
can't handle it when found out.
Handle it? You are taking the ****, do you think I give a flying
**** what you think.


Now you're just wriggling. What I think doesn't matter. The fact
that you have got you knickers in a twist and are wriggling around
trying straighten them says enough.


Dream on.


It's you who's dreaming, or is it a nightmare?

Have a good wriggle.


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Brimstone wrote:
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Brimstone wrote:
NM wrote:
Brimstone wrote:
NM wrote:
Brimstone wrote:
NM wrote:
Brimstone wrote:
NM wrote:
Brimstone wrote:
NM wrote:
Brimstone wrote:
NM wrote:
tim..... wrote:
"NM" wrote in message
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tim..... wrote:
"allan tracy" wrote in
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Bit bloody useless for all of the passengers
living in the M4 corridor for whom Heathrow is
usefully situated.
Ask yourself which came first Heathrow Airport or
the M4 corridor and its passengers that live there.
Hum, when was the mainline railway built?

Relevence?
Why would they build a mainline railway to an area with
no people in it.

tim


To (in this case) to get to Bristol and the
transatlantic shipping trade, same applies to
Southamppton and Plymouth. Swindon was just a
convienient place to put a workshop, railway more or
lesss followed the track of the Bath Road an ancient
track and a turnpike.
Not totally acurate. What became the present mainline
railway was initially proposed by Bristolians to move
their goods to London and the railway doesn't follow the
Bath Road.
Then they must have moved it since I was a kid.
Nope, try looking at a map. (Which is not to say that the
two don't get close and even cross in one or two places
between London and Reading.)
Which is what I said in the first place.
You said, "railway more or lesss followed the track of the
Bath Road an ancient track and a turnpike" indicates that
the two are close to each other for most or all of the
distance, they're not. Except for a couple of locations,
they don't even get close.
More or less, all the implications are your fantasies.
That's about as close to an apology as I'm likely to get from
you so I suppose it will have to suffice.


Whatever, I see it more as ask a silly question, get a silly
answer, perhaps you should modify your interrogtion technique,
Try checking your facts rather than relying on seventy-five year
old memories of a limited area.


OK, if you try not to jump in with an irrelevent question soley
posed with trolling in mind.
I didn't pose a question. You made the troling comment and now you
can't handle it when found out.
Handle it? You are taking the ****, do you think I give a flying
**** what you think.
Now you're just wriggling. What I think doesn't matter. The fact
that you have got you knickers in a twist and are wriggling around
trying straighten them says enough.


Dream on.


It's you who's dreaming, or is it a nightmare?

Have a good wriggle.


As I said, dream on, you appear to be enjoying it.
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NM wrote:
Brimstone wrote:
NM wrote:
Brimstone wrote:
"NM" wrote in message
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Brimstone wrote:
NM wrote:
Brimstone wrote:
NM wrote:
Brimstone wrote:
NM wrote:
Brimstone wrote:
NM wrote:
Brimstone wrote:
NM wrote:
Brimstone wrote:
NM wrote:
tim..... wrote:
"NM" wrote in message
...
tim..... wrote:
"allan tracy" wrote
in message
oups.com...
Bit bloody useless for all of the passengers
living in the M4 corridor for whom Heathrow is
usefully situated.
Ask yourself which came first Heathrow Airport or
the M4 corridor and its passengers that live
there.
Hum, when was the mainline railway built?

Relevence?
Why would they build a mainline railway to an area
with no people in it.

tim


To (in this case) to get to Bristol and the
transatlantic shipping trade, same applies to
Southamppton and Plymouth. Swindon was just a
convienient place to put a workshop, railway more or
lesss followed the track of the Bath Road an ancient
track and a turnpike.
Not totally acurate. What became the present mainline
railway was initially proposed by Bristolians to move
their goods to London and the railway doesn't follow
the Bath Road.
Then they must have moved it since I was a kid.
Nope, try looking at a map. (Which is not to say that the
two don't get close and even cross in one or two places
between London and Reading.)
Which is what I said in the first place.
You said, "railway more or lesss followed the track of the
Bath Road an ancient track and a turnpike" indicates that
the two are close to each other for most or all of the
distance, they're not. Except for a couple of locations,
they don't even get close.
More or less, all the implications are your fantasies.
That's about as close to an apology as I'm likely to get from
you so I suppose it will have to suffice.


Whatever, I see it more as ask a silly question, get a silly
answer, perhaps you should modify your interrogtion technique,
Try checking your facts rather than relying on seventy-five
year old memories of a limited area.


OK, if you try not to jump in with an irrelevent question soley
posed with trolling in mind.
I didn't pose a question. You made the troling comment and now
you can't handle it when found out.
Handle it? You are taking the ****, do you think I give a flying
**** what you think.
Now you're just wriggling. What I think doesn't matter. The fact
that you have got you knickers in a twist and are wriggling around
trying straighten them says enough.


Dream on.


It's you who's dreaming, or is it a nightmare?

Have a good wriggle.


As I said, dream on, you appear to be enjoying it.


I'm enjoying seeing you wriggle.


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NM wrote:
Brimstone wrote:
NM wrote:
Brimstone wrote:
"NM" wrote in message
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Brimstone wrote:
NM wrote:
Brimstone wrote:
NM wrote:
Brimstone wrote:
NM wrote:
Brimstone wrote:
NM wrote:
Brimstone wrote:
NM wrote:
Brimstone wrote:
NM wrote:
tim..... wrote:
"NM" wrote in message
...
tim..... wrote:
"allan tracy" wrote
in message
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Bit bloody useless for all of the passengers
living in the M4 corridor for whom Heathrow is
usefully situated.
Ask yourself which came first Heathrow Airport or
the M4 corridor and its passengers that live
there.
Hum, when was the mainline railway built?

Relevence?
Why would they build a mainline railway to an area
with no people in it.

tim


To (in this case) to get to Bristol and the
transatlantic shipping trade, same applies to
Southamppton and Plymouth. Swindon was just a
convienient place to put a workshop, railway more or
lesss followed the track of the Bath Road an ancient
track and a turnpike.
Not totally acurate. What became the present mainline
railway was initially proposed by Bristolians to move
their goods to London and the railway doesn't follow
the Bath Road.
Then they must have moved it since I was a kid.
Nope, try looking at a map. (Which is not to say that the
two don't get close and even cross in one or two places
between London and Reading.)
Which is what I said in the first place.
You said, "railway more or lesss followed the track of the
Bath Road an ancient track and a turnpike" indicates that
the two are close to each other for most or all of the
distance, they're not. Except for a couple of locations,
they don't even get close.
More or less, all the implications are your fantasies.
That's about as close to an apology as I'm likely to get from
you so I suppose it will have to suffice.


Whatever, I see it more as ask a silly question, get a silly
answer, perhaps you should modify your interrogtion technique,
Try checking your facts rather than relying on seventy-five
year old memories of a limited area.


OK, if you try not to jump in with an irrelevent question soley
posed with trolling in mind.
I didn't pose a question. You made the troling comment and now
you can't handle it when found out.
Handle it? You are taking the ****, do you think I give a flying
**** what you think.
Now you're just wriggling. What I think doesn't matter. The fact
that you have got you knickers in a twist and are wriggling around
trying straighten them says enough.


Dream on.
It's you who's dreaming, or is it a nightmare?

Have a good wriggle.


As I said, dream on, you appear to be enjoying it.


I'm enjoying seeing you wriggle.


dream on


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