London Transport (uk.transport.london) Discussion of all forms of transport in London.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #1   Report Post  
Old August 15th 07, 10:21 AM posted to uk.transport,uk.transport.london,uk.transport.air
CJB CJB is offline
external usenet poster
 
First recorded activity at LondonBanter: Jun 2007
Posts: 275
Default "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.

"Hidden" Plans for two new Terminals at Heathrow.

By Jonathon Carr-Brown

The Sunday Times

13th October 2002

PROPOSALS to build two new terminals at Heathrow are being considered
as part of plans to increase the airport's capacity, government
documents have revealed, writes Jonathon Carr-Brown.

The terminals would be in addition to the planned terminal 5, which
was given the go-ahead last year after a four-year planning inquiry.
Local residents accuse the transport department of trying to conceal
plans for the new building work. The plans do not appear on the
government website or in public consultation documents outlining
proposals to build a new runway at the airport, released in July.

The new documents - buried in an obscure appendix of a separate report
- show plans are advanced to create two more terminals, including one
for transit passengers.

Campaigners against the airport's expansion claim the disclosure shows
that the consultation over the new runway is a sham and that hundreds
of homeowners, who could have their houses demolished, are being
misled about the scale of the plans.

Paul de Zylva, aviation spokesman for Friends of the Earth, said:
"This is not a proper consultation. People could be forgiven for
thinking the government was trying to pull the wool over their eyes."

Heathrow campaigners became suspicious two weeks ago when Mike
Hodgkinson, the chief executive of BAA, which runs Britain's main
airports, told residents' meetings that "additional facilities" would
be needed if a third runway was built.

The campaigners say that, when pressed, Hodgkinson said a sixth
terminal would be required and referred to the government's
consultation process. Despite searches, the only reference found in
the main transport department consultation document was a paragraph
talking about extra terminal capacity being provided by
"reconfiguring" terminals 1, 2 and 3 and space to the south of the
airport.

Further investigations led to the discovery of maps and diagrams
produced by Halcrow, the government's consultants. These show that a
new runway would lead to the 1.6billion redevelopment of terminals 1,
2 and 3, the doubling in size of terminal 4 to create a new terminal,
and the building of another new one for transit passengers. The
estimated cost would be 550m.

"This has massive implications for hundreds of homeowners sandwiched
between the proposed new runway and the old one," said John Stewart of
the Heathrow Association for the Control of Aircraft Noise. "Any
properties not knocked down will be blighted for ever."

A BAA spokesman said: "If a third runway was built it would require
additional facilities." Asked whether that meant a sixth terminal, he
said: "That question is part of our considerations but we have never
used the term 'sixth terminal'."

The transport department said: "If Heathrow is given permission to
build a new runway it will be up to them to come up with detailed
plans." The need for new terminal facilities will be acute if a new
runway is built. It could lead to an increase of almost 50% in flight
numbers, from 461,000 to 688,000 a year by 2030. Passenger numbers
would rise from 64m to 130m.


  #2   Report Post  
Old August 15th 07, 10:30 AM posted to uk.transport,uk.transport.london,uk.transport.air
external usenet poster
 
First recorded activity at LondonBanter: Apr 2004
Posts: 668
Default "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.

CJB wrote:
"Hidden" Plans for two new Terminals at Heathrow.

By Jonathon Carr-Brown

The Sunday Times

13th October 2002

PROPOSALS to build two new terminals at Heathrow are being considered
as part of plans to increase the airport's capacity, government
documents have revealed, writes Jonathon Carr-Brown.


report snipped

Now add on the additional surface transport that this would create and the
scheme becomes even more problematic.






  #3   Report Post  
Old August 15th 07, 10:32 AM posted to uk.transport,uk.transport.london,uk.transport.air
external usenet poster
 
First recorded activity at LondonBanter: Dec 2006
Posts: 836
Default "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.


"CJB" wrote in message
ups.com...

"Hidden" Plans for two new Terminals at Heathrow.

By Jonathon Carr-Brown

The Sunday Times

13th October 2002

PROPOSALS to build two new terminals at Heathrow are being considered
as part of plans to increase the airport's capacity, government
documents have revealed, writes Jonathon Carr-Brown.


Campaigners against the airport's expansion claim the disclosure shows
that the consultation over the new runway is a sham and that hundreds
of homeowners, who could have their houses demolished, are being
misled about the scale of the plans.


I can't see why it would bother the "hundreds of people whos
house is going to be demolished" that the scale of the plans
are being hidden. If your house is in the "to be demolished"
list it makes not one jot what the reason is, IMHO.

tim



  #4   Report Post  
Old August 15th 07, 02:17 PM posted to uk.transport,uk.transport.london,uk.transport.air
Abo Abo is offline
external usenet poster
 
First recorded activity at LondonBanter: Aug 2007
Posts: 6
Default "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.

CJB wrote:

snip

You are Doug AICMFP

--
Abo
  #5   Report Post  
Old August 15th 07, 02:30 PM posted to uk.transport,uk.transport.london,uk.transport.air
external usenet poster
 
First recorded activity at LondonBanter: Aug 2007
Posts: 6
Default "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.

CJB wrote:
"Hidden" Plans for two new Terminals at Heathrow.

By Jonathon Carr-Brown

The Sunday Times

13th October 2002

PROPOSALS to build two new terminals at Heathrow are being considered
as part of plans to increase the airport's capacity, government
documents have revealed, writes Jonathon Carr-Brown.


Maybe someone should publish these 'hidden' plans then.

Or come up with a viable alternative.

ICBA anymore.

--
Dog Poop

Stand by me,




  #6   Report Post  
Old August 15th 07, 04:26 PM posted to uk.transport,uk.transport.london,uk.transport.air
external usenet poster
 
First recorded activity at LondonBanter: Sep 2004
Posts: 58
Default "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.

In article om, CJB
says...
"Hidden" Plans for two new Terminals at Heathrow.

By Jonathon Carr-Brown

The Sunday Times

13th October 2002

A 5 year old news report. Hardly credible.


--
Conor

The United States, increasing quality by lowering standards since 1776.
  #7   Report Post  
Old August 15th 07, 05:27 PM posted to uk.transport,uk.transport.london,uk.transport.air
external usenet poster
 
First recorded activity at LondonBanter: Dec 2006
Posts: 836
Default "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.


"Dogpoop" wrote in message
...
CJB wrote:
"Hidden" Plans for two new Terminals at Heathrow.

By Jonathon Carr-Brown

The Sunday Times

13th October 2002

PROPOSALS to build two new terminals at Heathrow are being considered
as part of plans to increase the airport's capacity, government
documents have revealed, writes Jonathon Carr-Brown.


Maybe someone should publish these 'hidden' plans then.

Or come up with a viable alternative.


Developing Stansted into a 4 runway airport with a high
speed train connection (south, north and sast) and
closing LHR completely.

I know that the locals won't like this, but there are far less
of them.

We (in the UK) have to bite the bullet on this sometime
otherwise this tinkering with LHR is going to go on forever.

tim



  #8   Report Post  
Old August 15th 07, 06:05 PM posted to uk.transport,uk.transport.london,uk.transport.air
external usenet poster
 
First recorded activity at LondonBanter: Nov 2004
Posts: 14
Default "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.

In message , tim.....
writes

Or come up with a viable alternative.


Developing Stansted into a 4 runway airport with a high
speed train connection (south, north and sast) and
closing LHR completely.


I know that the locals won't like this, but there are far less
of them.


Bit bloody useless for all of the passengers living in the M4 corridor
for whom Heathrow is usefully situated. Shame that Bristol airport is
such a pain in the arse to get to. Otherwise, and if the flights went
where I want to go, I'd happily never use a London airport again.
Especially Gatwick shudder.

--
Steve Walker
  #9   Report Post  
Old August 15th 07, 06:11 PM posted to uk.transport,uk.transport.london,uk.transport.air
external usenet poster
 
First recorded activity at LondonBanter: Dec 2006
Posts: 836
Default "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.


"Steve Walker" wrote in message
...
In message , tim.....
writes

Or come up with a viable alternative.


Developing Stansted into a 4 runway airport with a high
speed train connection (south, north and sast) and
closing LHR completely.


I know that the locals won't like this, but there are far less
of them.


Bit bloody useless for all of the passengers living in the M4 corridor for
whom Heathrow is usefully situated. Shame that Bristol airport is such a
pain in the arse to get to. Otherwise, and if the flights went where I
want to go, I'd happily never use a London airport again. Especially
Gatwick shudder.


Like I said, there's going to be some losers here.

But IMHO something radical has to be done, and developing
LHR is not it.

tim



  #10   Report Post  
Old August 15th 07, 06:14 PM posted to uk.transport,uk.transport.london,uk.transport.air
external usenet poster
 
First recorded activity at LondonBanter: Oct 2003
Posts: 3,188
Default "Hidden" Plans for TWO new Terminals at Heathrow.

On Wed, 15 Aug 2007, tim..... wrote:


"Dogpoop" wrote in message
...
CJB wrote:

PROPOSALS to build two new terminals at Heathrow are being considered
as part of plans to increase the airport's capacity, government
documents have revealed, writes Jonathon Carr-Brown.


Maybe someone should publish these 'hidden' plans then.

Or come up with a viable alternative.


Developing Stansted into a 4 runway airport with a high speed train
connection (south, north and sast) and closing LHR completely.


Hey! Why Stansted? Why not Luton - much better placed for the transport
links. Run a rail spur Stevenage - Luton - Leighton Buzzard and you've got
the WCML, MML and ECML all linked in. If the Oxford - Cambridge line comes
back to life, there's an easy link to the GWML too.

I know that the locals won't like this, but there are far less of them.


How about this airport on an artificial island in the Thames estuary,
then? Even fewer NIMBYs!

tom

--
If it ain't broke, open it up and see what makes it so bloody special.


Reply
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules

Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
"Heathrow and Gatwick airports: Ministers mull rail link" (twixt the two) Mizter T London Transport 156 October 24th 11 05:42 PM
Two free exhibitions, London underground station plans, past and future Recliner[_2_] London Transport 5 November 24th 10 08:43 PM
Works unit only exit with hidden office on M11. What is it? Boltar London Transport 4 October 22nd 07 04:35 PM
Kings Cross Thameslink & "London Terminals" Colin Rosenstiel London Transport 0 September 23rd 06 04:05 PM
Kings Cross Thameslink & "London Terminals" Andrew Black (delete obvious bit) London Transport 27 August 19th 06 09:15 PM


All times are GMT. The time now is 04:04 PM.

Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright 2004-2020 London Banter.
The comments are property of their posters.
 

About Us

"It's about London Transport"

 

Copyright © 2017